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	<title>Comments on: Wretchard on the Flight 93 Memorial: Yep, It Opens to Mecca</title>
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		<title>By: Clint</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bebere-

I think you just hit on why this story has such traction.  Because it&#039;s not an isolated incident.

I also started out in the &quot;sometimes a cigar is just a cigar&quot; camp -- but the panel deciding on this design recommended that the name be changed to &quot;arc of embrace&quot; -- and the artist refused to let it be changed.  Why demand that it be called a &quot;crescent&quot; -- what is he trying to represent?

All I can come up with as symbolic associations of a crescent are: (1) Islam; (2) the Fertile Crescent (Iraq); and (3) a crescent moon.

I can&#039;t figure out what relevance the moon might have... so I&#039;d enjoy hearing what symbolism the artist intended -- except that he claims he had &lt;b&gt;no&lt;/b&gt; symbolic intentions -- but don&#039;t change the word.  I&#039;m skeptical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bebere-</p>
<p>I think you just hit on why this story has such traction.  Because it&#8217;s not an isolated incident.</p>
<p>I also started out in the &#8220;sometimes a cigar is just a cigar&#8221; camp &#8212; but the panel deciding on this design recommended that the name be changed to &#8220;arc of embrace&#8221; &#8212; and the artist refused to let it be changed.  Why demand that it be called a &#8220;crescent&#8221; &#8212; what is he trying to represent?</p>
<p>All I can come up with as symbolic associations of a crescent are: (1) Islam; (2) the Fertile Crescent (Iraq); and (3) a crescent moon.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t figure out what relevance the moon might have&#8230; so I&#8217;d enjoy hearing what symbolism the artist intended &#8212; except that he claims he had <b>no</b> symbolic intentions &#8212; but don&#8217;t change the word.  I&#8217;m skeptical.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2005 03:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bebere, I certainly don&#039;t want to seem like I&#039;m hyping this thing; I just think it&#039;s inappropriate...as I said (or at least implied, I hope), I agree with Wretchard that it&#039;s probably not intentionally reminiscent of Islam...but you&#039;re not the first regular to think I&#039;ve jumped the shark on this one...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bebere, I certainly don&#8217;t want to seem like I&#8217;m hyping this thing; I just think it&#8217;s inappropriate&#8230;as I said (or at least implied, I hope), I agree with Wretchard that it&#8217;s probably not intentionally reminiscent of Islam&#8230;but you&#8217;re not the first regular to think I&#8217;ve jumped the shark on this one&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bebere</title>
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		<dc:creator>bebere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2005 03:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I think this all to be a case of a cigar being just a cigar.  Didn&#039;t know that I was supposed to be offended by the overt islamism until reading the likes of Michelle Malkin, &amp;c.

Rather than overanalyse this stuff, I think that maybe we should be more interested in the &#039;museum of American Atrocities&#039; (or whatever the Moveon.org (tm) affiliate is calling it) spectacle in NYC.

For some excellent commentary on this whole thing, take a look at:

http://sisu.typepad.com/sisu</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I think this all to be a case of a cigar being just a cigar.  Didn&#8217;t know that I was supposed to be offended by the overt islamism until reading the likes of Michelle Malkin, &amp;c.</p>
<p>Rather than overanalyse this stuff, I think that maybe we should be more interested in the &#8216;museum of American Atrocities&#8217; (or whatever the Moveon.org &#8482; affiliate is calling it) spectacle in NYC.</p>
<p>For some excellent commentary on this whole thing, take a look at:</p>
<p><a href="http://sisu.typepad.com/sisu" rel="nofollow">http://sisu.typepad.com/sisu</a></p>
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		<title>By: Clint</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2005 20:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This seems a bit wierd to me.

The red crescent symbol -- sure.  But the orientation?  I go back and forth... (It&#039;s pointing the opposite way, there&#039;s controversy about &quot;great circle&quot; vs. &quot;shortest line&quot; directions to Mecca..etc)

In the end, I&#039;m with &lt;a&gt;Ace of Spaces&lt;/a&gt; -- let&#039;s just make it a circle (or a circle with three openings to enter from).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This seems a bit wierd to me.</p>
<p>The red crescent symbol &#8212; sure.  But the orientation?  I go back and forth&#8230; (It&#8217;s pointing the opposite way, there&#8217;s controversy about &#8220;great circle&#8221; vs. &#8220;shortest line&#8221; directions to Mecca..etc)</p>
<p>In the end, I&#8217;m with <a>Ace of Spaces</a> &#8212; let&#8217;s just make it a circle (or a circle with three openings to enter from).</p>
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		<title>By: The Strata-Sphere</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Strata-Sphere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2005 13:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Red Crescent Symbol Of Jihad&lt;/strong&gt;

	Michelle Malkin asks in this update post whether people watched the excellent Discovery Channel&#8217;s special Flight 93: The Flight That Fought Back and how they felt about the Flight 93 Memorial.  The short answer is yes we did and it was excellent...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Red Crescent Symbol Of Jihad</strong></p>
<p>	Michelle Malkin asks in this update post whether people watched the excellent Discovery Channel&#8217;s special Flight 93: The Flight That Fought Back and how they felt about the Flight 93 Memorial.  The short answer is yes we did and it was excellent&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2005 01:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No worries...just send me an e-mail when you get it back up...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No worries&#8230;just send me an e-mail when you get it back up&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: fatman</title>
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		<dc:creator>fatman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2005 01:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to go off topic, Mark, especially on this post, but if you just tried to e-mail me, I can&#039;t get to it. When I try to sign into Yahoo e-mail, I get &quot;The page cannot be displayed.&quot; And since I&#039;m still having issues with Internet Browser, I can&#039;t get at that e-mail account either. I&#039;m going to have to cuddle up with Verizon and see what the h*** is going on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to go off topic, Mark, especially on this post, but if you just tried to e-mail me, I can&#8217;t get to it. When I try to sign into Yahoo e-mail, I get &#8220;The page cannot be displayed.&#8221; And since I&#8217;m still having issues with Internet Browser, I can&#8217;t get at that e-mail account either. I&#8217;m going to have to cuddle up with Verizon and see what the h*** is going on.</p>
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