Armando: Sure, We’re Winning in Iraq…So What?
Oh, he wouldn’t put it that way, no doubt, but here’s the despicable Armando of Daily Kos on today’s stirring sight of the continued march towards democracy in Iraq:
Yes the Constitution will win the vote. And then what? Will our troops come home now? Will the Iraqi government be able to govern? What is different now than yesterday?
Jeez, it must be depressing to find yourself on the wrong side of almost every issue.
What is different today, Armando? Well, for starters, the Iraqis will have a legal document to govern their emerging pluralistic democracy, similar to the one that is supremely sovereign in this nation. Will our troops come home now, you ask? Of couse not, you ninny…but the passage will bring that day much closer. Will the Iraqi government be able to govern now? Well, they’ve been able to govern for decades, but Saddam kept them from doing so, and now the terrorist insurgents are doing the same. The question is not will they be able to govern, they already could – the question is whether they will be able to guarantee security.
If the Sunnis, IF, I say, the Sunnis are brought into the fold of the emerging democracy, the game is over, and the support for the terrorists will drain away. That’s called a win, Armando.
What’s different today, you ask, as Iraqis VOTE for a legally binding basis for a democracy? You have the nerve to ask that? Blow it out your backside, you small-minded little man…
UPDATE 4:45 p.m.: More Armando, from the comments (responding to someone who asked him to temper his cynicism):
This Constitutional process, as was, the January election, was a terrible mistake and harmful to the stability of Iraq.
Your knee jerk applause for this, and no doubt you applauded the January elections, is mindless in my view.
What do you think the result will be?
Iraq does not need empty gestures – it needs a plan for stabilizing, securing and reconstructing the country.
The process that was undertaken PREMATURELY has harmed Iraq, not helped.
The cynicism is yours. The lack of thinking is yours.
If this comment seems harsh it is because attitudes like yours or just the problem. Think for a moment before you stsate [sic] such an opinion
To which, a sensible Democrat replied:
Who makes the plan, and with what authority?
If there is no legally constituted body elected by the Iraqi people, and no legal framework such as a Constitution approved by the Iraqi people, then the only entity that can make a plan for stabilizing, securing, and restructuring the country, and then hope to implement it, is the occupying military authority. So, in essence, you are arguing for the United States to impose a plan without even a lip-service involvement of the Iraqi people. I’m not defending the inept way that the Bush administration has gone about things in Iraq, but some effort to allow an elected voice for the Iraqi people and to create a set of rules under which to begin to operate the nation does seem reasonable. Or, have I missed something in your reasoning?
Just so…Armando is the worst sort of gadfly – constantly criticizing his enemies, no matter the subject, no matter the principles involved, with no solutions, no ideas, and no more sense then a common housefly…go buzz off in the corner, Armando, and let the adults handle this one…

It is democracy by gestalt.
Any moment can be selected to represent the way things will always be-no imagination.
Voters Fed-Ex Iraq War Critics
Decision ’08 rips into this anti-democratic screed.
“Iraq does not need empty gestures – it needs a plan for stabilizing, securing and reconstructing the country.”
Democracy = empty gestures
voting = futile
Armando = The Voice Of The New New Left! Catch the Fever!
Wow …
it’s morning in Iraq. Lotsa mourning, too. Yin and yang.
Seems the blind ranging Bush-hatred on the Left has made everyone an expert lately, hasn’t it? In choosing to argue that a stable, US-allied Iraq is desireable but that we are going about it the wrong way, Armando has changed the functional realm of his argument from the moral to the tactical – in other words, he simply knows better than Bush, the State Department, the Iraqi government and countless lifetime analysts how best to rebuild a nation. I’d like to see his no-doubt impressive resume on the topic. And no, Armando, you can’t list reading Juan Cole articles under “Education.”
Quite a tenuous point on which to hinge your case, no?