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	<title>Comments on: How High is High? Or, Whither Cheney?</title>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2005/10/17/how-high-is-high-or-whither-cheney/comment-page-1/#comment-6994</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2005 23:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AE...now that MoDo is under lock and key, what would we do without Fineman?...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AE&#8230;now that MoDo is under lock and key, what would we do without Fineman?&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Don Surber</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2005/10/17/how-high-is-high-or-whither-cheney/comment-page-1/#comment-6989</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Surber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Untitled&lt;/strong&gt;

You want comment on the rumor? Try Left Coaster and Decision &#039;08 and World O&#039;Crap and The All Spin Zone and Seeing the Forest and Rook&#039;s Rant.</description>
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<p>You want comment on the rumor? Try Left Coaster and Decision &#8217;08 and World O&#8217;Crap and The All Spin Zone and Seeing the Forest and Rook&#8217;s Rant.</p>
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		<title>By: AcademicElephant</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2005/10/17/how-high-is-high-or-whither-cheney/comment-page-1/#comment-6986</link>
		<dc:creator>AcademicElephant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2005 19:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which leads me back to my original point--it seems to me that Cheney is the least guilty-looking party right now based on this evidence.  Wouldn&#039;t they want to bring him before the GJ before considering an indictment?

Prediction:  Howard Fineman will write a &quot;Cheney is guilty: column in the next 48 hours and it will all turn out to be smoke and mirrors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which leads me back to my original point&#8211;it seems to me that Cheney is the least guilty-looking party right now based on this evidence.  Wouldn&#8217;t they want to bring him before the GJ before considering an indictment?</p>
<p>Prediction:  Howard Fineman will write a &#8220;Cheney is guilty: column in the next 48 hours and it will all turn out to be smoke and mirrors.</p>
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		<title>By: mtl</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2005/10/17/how-high-is-high-or-whither-cheney/comment-page-1/#comment-6985</link>
		<dc:creator>mtl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2005 19:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;While the complete list of witnesses who have testified before the Grand Jury is not known (Fitzgerald has conducted his investigation with much more discretion than previous presidential investigations[45]), a number of individuals have acknowledged giving testimony, including White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan, Deputy Press Secretary Claire Buchan, former press secretary Ari Fleischer, former special advisor to the president Karen Hughes, former White House communications aide Adam Levine, former advisor to the Vice President Mary Matalin, and former Secretary of State Colin Powell.[46]&quot;

 http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?disc=149495;article=93444;title=APFN

The 46 reference is to Murray Waas:
http://www.prospect.org/webfeatures/2004/03/waas-m-03-08.html

and the above first link was lifted from Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plame_affair

The name that really stuck out was:

Mary Matalin.  (Of course she could say she was drinking at the time, and can&#039;t remember anything.  god knows she&#039;d have to be drunk to have a kid by Carville.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;While the complete list of witnesses who have testified before the Grand Jury is not known (Fitzgerald has conducted his investigation with much more discretion than previous presidential investigations[45]), a number of individuals have acknowledged giving testimony, including White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan, Deputy Press Secretary Claire Buchan, former press secretary Ari Fleischer, former special advisor to the president Karen Hughes, former White House communications aide Adam Levine, former advisor to the Vice President Mary Matalin, and former Secretary of State Colin Powell.[46]&#8221;</p>
<p> <a href="http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?disc=149495;article=93444;title=APFN" rel="nofollow">http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?disc=149495;article=93444;title=APFN</a></p>
<p>The 46 reference is to Murray Waas:<br />
<a href="http://www.prospect.org/webfeatures/2004/03/waas-m-03-08.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.prospect.org/webfeatures/2004/03/waas-m-03-08.html</a></p>
<p>and the above first link was lifted from Wikipedia:<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plame_affair" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plame_affair</a></p>
<p>The name that really stuck out was:</p>
<p>Mary Matalin.  (Of course she could say she was drinking at the time, and can&#8217;t remember anything.  god knows she&#8217;d have to be drunk to have a kid by Carville.)</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s right, Cheney answered questions from investigators, unsworn, but has not given sworn testimony in front of the grand jury...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s right, Cheney answered questions from investigators, unsworn, but has not given sworn testimony in front of the grand jury&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mtl</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2005/10/17/how-high-is-high-or-whither-cheney/comment-page-1/#comment-6981</link>
		<dc:creator>mtl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not the best source, but…
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=55063

“Powell Admitted Circulating A Classified State Department Memo Identifying Plame Aboard Air Force One. “After a June 12 Washington Post story made reference to the Niger uranium inquiry, Armitage asked intelligence officers in the State Department for more information. He was forwarded a copy of a memo classified ‘Secret’ that included a description of Wilson’s trip for the CIA, his findings, a brief description of the origin of the trip and a reference to ‘Wilson’s wife.’ …On July 7, this memo and the notes were removed from the safe and forwarded to Powell via a secure fax line to Air Force One. Powell was on the way to Africa with the president, and his aides knew the secretary would be getting questions…Powell told prosecutors that he circulated the memo among those traveling with him in the front section of Air Force One. It is believed that all officials in that part of the aircraft had high-level security clearance.” (Los Angeles Times, 8/25/05)

The only problem is that Plame’s name, if some of what Miller said is true, was already known by June 23, clearing the occupants of the plane.


The testimonies are being poorly covered by the press.  Apparently Wilson was called back on Sept 30...Cheney has never been questioned by the GJ, but has taken questions from investigators.  I don&#039;t think Armitage has been called...but then there really isn&#039;t a good list out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not the best source, but…<br />
<a href="http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=55063" rel="nofollow">http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=55063</a></p>
<p>“Powell Admitted Circulating A Classified State Department Memo Identifying Plame Aboard Air Force One. “After a June 12 Washington Post story made reference to the Niger uranium inquiry, Armitage asked intelligence officers in the State Department for more information. He was forwarded a copy of a memo classified ‘Secret’ that included a description of Wilson’s trip for the CIA, his findings, a brief description of the origin of the trip and a reference to ‘Wilson’s wife.’ …On July 7, this memo and the notes were removed from the safe and forwarded to Powell via a secure fax line to Air Force One. Powell was on the way to Africa with the president, and his aides knew the secretary would be getting questions…Powell told prosecutors that he circulated the memo among those traveling with him in the front section of Air Force One. It is believed that all officials in that part of the aircraft had high-level security clearance.” (Los Angeles Times, 8/25/05)</p>
<p>The only problem is that Plame’s name, if some of what Miller said is true, was already known by June 23, clearing the occupants of the plane.</p>
<p>The testimonies are being poorly covered by the press.  Apparently Wilson was called back on Sept 30&#8230;Cheney has never been questioned by the GJ, but has taken questions from investigators.  I don&#8217;t think Armitage has been called&#8230;but then there really isn&#8217;t a good list out there.</p>
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		<title>By: AcademicElephant</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2005/10/17/how-high-is-high-or-whither-cheney/comment-page-1/#comment-6978</link>
		<dc:creator>AcademicElephant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has Armitage testified?  I know Powell did in July. We don&#039;t know for sure if Cheney has, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has Armitage testified?  I know Powell did in July. We don&#8217;t know for sure if Cheney has, right?</p>
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		<title>By: mtl</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2005/10/17/how-high-is-high-or-whither-cheney/comment-page-1/#comment-6977</link>
		<dc:creator>mtl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lump Armitage in with Powell.
He&#039;s a loyal guy, and probably read every single memo that came thru the office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lump Armitage in with Powell.<br />
He&#8217;s a loyal guy, and probably read every single memo that came thru the office.</p>
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		<title>By: AcademicElephant</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2005/10/17/how-high-is-high-or-whither-cheney/comment-page-1/#comment-6973</link>
		<dc:creator>AcademicElephant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with MtL--although I don&#039;t love the Streisand analogy because I want an asteroid to hit that compound and it&#039;s disappointing to think that it&#039;s so very improbable.  This is another example of the flailing that&#039;s going on because no one has a clue what Fitzgerald is thinking.  Cheney? Doesn&#039;t he have other things to do? 

And not to add to the flailing, but the person no one has mentioned in quite some time is Colin Powell, who after all had the Wilson/Plame memo on his plane, and a vested interest in preserving the WMD story.  That might make some sense out of his &quot;mea culpa&quot; interview a few weeks back.  Hmmmm....perhaps not quite so much of a saint?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with MtL&#8211;although I don&#8217;t love the Streisand analogy because I want an asteroid to hit that compound and it&#8217;s disappointing to think that it&#8217;s so very improbable.  This is another example of the flailing that&#8217;s going on because no one has a clue what Fitzgerald is thinking.  Cheney? Doesn&#8217;t he have other things to do? </p>
<p>And not to add to the flailing, but the person no one has mentioned in quite some time is Colin Powell, who after all had the Wilson/Plame memo on his plane, and a vested interest in preserving the WMD story.  That might make some sense out of his &#8220;mea culpa&#8221; interview a few weeks back.  Hmmmm&#8230;.perhaps not quite so much of a saint?</p>
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		<title>By: mtl</title>
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		<dc:creator>mtl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2005 17:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bloomberg is basing this speculation on a reporter:

1. Who stayed in jail rather than provide her sources?
2.  Discovered a notebook-with details of her conversation with Libby, but can&#039;t recall if he told her, or someone already had told her.
3.  Has about as much credibility as a Jim Jones&#039; kool-aid stand?

This is a big reach.  Odds? a little smaller than an asteroid hitting the Streisand compound.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bloomberg is basing this speculation on a reporter:</p>
<p>1. Who stayed in jail rather than provide her sources?<br />
2.  Discovered a notebook-with details of her conversation with Libby, but can&#8217;t recall if he told her, or someone already had told her.<br />
3.  Has about as much credibility as a Jim Jones&#8217; kool-aid stand?</p>
<p>This is a big reach.  Odds? a little smaller than an asteroid hitting the Streisand compound.</p>
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