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		<title>By: Knemon</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2005/11/08/some-election-stuff/comment-page-1/#comment-7834</link>
		<dc:creator>Knemon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2005 23:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Mark Warner becoming a serious contender for the 2008 nomination isn’t a good thing for Republicans.&quot;

Actually, Geek, I take it back - you&#039;re partly wrong here.  It might not be good for them qua Republicans, but for a centrist&#039;s chances - in either party - to be boosted is good for us all.

Wouldn&#039;t it be great to have two good candidates to choose from, rather than always going with the lesser evil?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Mark Warner becoming a serious contender for the 2008 nomination isn’t a good thing for Republicans.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, Geek, I take it back &#8211; you&#8217;re partly wrong here.  It might not be good for them qua Republicans, but for a centrist&#8217;s chances &#8211; in either party &#8211; to be boosted is good for us all.</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t it be great to have two good candidates to choose from, rather than always going with the lesser evil?</p>
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		<title>By: louielouie</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2005/11/08/some-election-stuff/comment-page-1/#comment-7825</link>
		<dc:creator>louielouie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2005 20:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Adopted in Conference, at Sharon, Connecticut, on September 11, 1960.”

sept. 11..........creepy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Adopted in Conference, at Sharon, Connecticut, on September 11, 1960.”</p>
<p>sept. 11&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.creepy.</p>
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		<title>By: Knemon</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2005/11/08/some-election-stuff/comment-page-1/#comment-7821</link>
		<dc:creator>Knemon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2005 16:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Do Any Of You Remember The Sharon Statement?&quot;

Got it up on my wall.  (Along with the preamble to the Port Huron Statement.  Fair and Balanced, that&#039;s me).

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Geek, that&#039;s twice in twelve hours you&#039;ve made sense ... a pale rider approacheth ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Do Any Of You Remember The Sharon Statement?&#8221;</p>
<p>Got it up on my wall.  (Along with the preamble to the Port Huron Statement.  Fair and Balanced, that&#8217;s me).</p>
<p>*</p>
<p>Geek, that&#8217;s twice in twelve hours you&#8217;ve made sense &#8230; a pale rider approacheth &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Geek, Esq.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geek, Esq.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2005 16:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New Jersey should have been closer--if the R&#039;s can&#039;t make significant progress with Dem scandals in the air and a milquetoast candidate like Corzine as the competitionm, they&#039;re probably headed the way of the Illinois GOP.

Mark Warner becoming a serious contender for the 2008 nomination isn&#039;t a good thing for Republicans.   Put him on a ticket with someone like Wes Clark, and you&#039;ve got a very credible threat to the WH--much more so than John Forbes Kerry was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New Jersey should have been closer&#8211;if the R&#8217;s can&#8217;t make significant progress with Dem scandals in the air and a milquetoast candidate like Corzine as the competitionm, they&#8217;re probably headed the way of the Illinois GOP.</p>
<p>Mark Warner becoming a serious contender for the 2008 nomination isn&#8217;t a good thing for Republicans.   Put him on a ticket with someone like Wes Clark, and you&#8217;ve got a very credible threat to the WH&#8211;much more so than John Forbes Kerry was.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2005 14:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam, I was not aware of the Sharon statement...but I like it!...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam, I was not aware of the Sharon statement&#8230;but I like it!&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Basso</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2005/11/08/some-election-stuff/comment-page-1/#comment-7810</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Basso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2005 13:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do Any Of You Remember The Sharon Statement?

The Republicans are losing because they don&#039;t preach a conservative message any more. They have become the party of &quot;everybody&quot;...

It&#039;s pretty bad... they preached a strong conservative message to get in power, then abandoned that when they got the power.

Here&#039;s the Sharon Statement. This proceedec Barry Goldwater, Ronald Reagan, etc.... we need to get back to our roots:

&quot;Adopted in Conference, at Sharon, Connecticut, on September 11, 1960.&quot;

IN THIS TIME of moral and political crises, it is the responsibility of the youth of America to affirm certain eternal truths.

WE, as young conservatives believe:

THAT foremost among the transcendent values is the individual&#039;s use of his God-given free will, whence derives his right to be free from the restrictions of arbitrary force;

THAT liberty is indivisible, and that political freedom cannot long exist without economic freedom;

THAT the purpose of government is to protect those freedoms through the preservation of internal order, the provision of national defense, and the administration of justice;

THAT when government ventures beyond these rightful functions, it accumulates power, which tends to diminish order and liberty;

THAT the Constitution of the United States is the best arrangement yet devised for empowering government to fulfill its proper role, while restraining it from the concentration and abuse of power;

THAT the genius of the Constitution - the division of powers - is summed up in the clause that reserves primacy to the several states, or to the people in those spheres not specifically delegated to the Federal government;

THAT the market economy, allocating resources by the free play of supply and demand, is the single economic system compatible with the requirements of personal freedom and constitutional government, and that it is at the same time the most productive supplier of human needs;

THAT when government interferes with the work of the market economy, it tends to reduce the moral and physical strength of the nation, that when it takes from one to bestow on another, it diminishes the incentive of the first, the integrity of the second, and the moral autonomy of both;

THAT we will be free only so long as the national sovereignty of the United States is secure; that history shows periods of freedom are rare, and can exist only when free citizens concertedly defend their rights against all enemies…

THAT the forces of international Communism are, at present, the greatest single threat to these liberties;

THAT the United States should stress victory over, rather than coexistence with this menace; and

THAT American foreign policy must be judged by this criterion: does it serve the just interests of the United States?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do Any Of You Remember The Sharon Statement?</p>
<p>The Republicans are losing because they don&#8217;t preach a conservative message any more. They have become the party of &#8220;everybody&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s pretty bad&#8230; they preached a strong conservative message to get in power, then abandoned that when they got the power.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the Sharon Statement. This proceedec Barry Goldwater, Ronald Reagan, etc&#8230;. we need to get back to our roots:</p>
<p>&#8220;Adopted in Conference, at Sharon, Connecticut, on September 11, 1960.&#8221;</p>
<p>IN THIS TIME of moral and political crises, it is the responsibility of the youth of America to affirm certain eternal truths.</p>
<p>WE, as young conservatives believe:</p>
<p>THAT foremost among the transcendent values is the individual&#8217;s use of his God-given free will, whence derives his right to be free from the restrictions of arbitrary force;</p>
<p>THAT liberty is indivisible, and that political freedom cannot long exist without economic freedom;</p>
<p>THAT the purpose of government is to protect those freedoms through the preservation of internal order, the provision of national defense, and the administration of justice;</p>
<p>THAT when government ventures beyond these rightful functions, it accumulates power, which tends to diminish order and liberty;</p>
<p>THAT the Constitution of the United States is the best arrangement yet devised for empowering government to fulfill its proper role, while restraining it from the concentration and abuse of power;</p>
<p>THAT the genius of the Constitution &#8211; the division of powers &#8211; is summed up in the clause that reserves primacy to the several states, or to the people in those spheres not specifically delegated to the Federal government;</p>
<p>THAT the market economy, allocating resources by the free play of supply and demand, is the single economic system compatible with the requirements of personal freedom and constitutional government, and that it is at the same time the most productive supplier of human needs;</p>
<p>THAT when government interferes with the work of the market economy, it tends to reduce the moral and physical strength of the nation, that when it takes from one to bestow on another, it diminishes the incentive of the first, the integrity of the second, and the moral autonomy of both;</p>
<p>THAT we will be free only so long as the national sovereignty of the United States is secure; that history shows periods of freedom are rare, and can exist only when free citizens concertedly defend their rights against all enemies…</p>
<p>THAT the forces of international Communism are, at present, the greatest single threat to these liberties;</p>
<p>THAT the United States should stress victory over, rather than coexistence with this menace; and</p>
<p>THAT American foreign policy must be judged by this criterion: does it serve the just interests of the United States?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2005 12:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dennis, I agree Warner is a benificiary...on the GOP side - hmmm....have to think about that one...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dennis, I agree Warner is a benificiary&#8230;on the GOP side &#8211; hmmm&#8230;.have to think about that one&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Knemon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Knemon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2005 07:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aw, MAN.  All propositions going down in flames.  The one I cared about most, 75 (paycheck protection), just slipped under the 50% mark with 57% of the precints in ...

Surprisingly, the two propositions which got the lowest % of &quot;yes&quot; votes are the two &quot;progressive&quot; ones, 79 (mandatory discount-drug programs) and 80 (re-regulation of energy industry).  Which is surprising, for California.

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Dennis, sorry for the misunderstanding ...

As for the horse race, maybe it actually helps Allen?  If VA is wobbly, Republicans might want to reinforce their hold on it with a favorite-son candidate?  I think that&#039;d be foolish, but I&#039;m hardly typical of most Republicans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aw, MAN.  All propositions going down in flames.  The one I cared about most, 75 (paycheck protection), just slipped under the 50% mark with 57% of the precints in &#8230;</p>
<p>Surprisingly, the two propositions which got the lowest % of &#8220;yes&#8221; votes are the two &#8220;progressive&#8221; ones, 79 (mandatory discount-drug programs) and 80 (re-regulation of energy industry).  Which is surprising, for California.</p>
<p>*</p>
<p>Dennis, sorry for the misunderstanding &#8230;</p>
<p>As for the horse race, maybe it actually helps Allen?  If VA is wobbly, Republicans might want to reinforce their hold on it with a favorite-son candidate?  I think that&#8217;d be foolish, but I&#8217;m hardly typical of most Republicans.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2005 05:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Knemon, I guess I wasn&#039;t clear. I&#039;m a New Jerseyan. But we still will share this every-four-years business of oddball elections, which makes New Jerseyans and Virginians deep spiritual brothers. Or something like that. :-)

So, to bring this all back to the nominal topic of the blog, I&#039;ve been reading a few things speculating this Virginia race will help Warner in his pursuit of the Democratic nomination. I&#039;m a bit more curious about the impact on Allen for the GOP. I&#039;ve got to think that this can&#039;t help him in the whole not-Rudy, not-McCain stakes. So who benefits from this election tonight? Romney? Huckabee? Or maybe all the social conservatives get a black eye and Rudy and McCain look that much stronger?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Knemon, I guess I wasn&#8217;t clear. I&#8217;m a New Jerseyan. But we still will share this every-four-years business of oddball elections, which makes New Jerseyans and Virginians deep spiritual brothers. Or something like that. <img src='http://informedspeculation.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>So, to bring this all back to the nominal topic of the blog, I&#8217;ve been reading a few things speculating this Virginia race will help Warner in his pursuit of the Democratic nomination. I&#8217;m a bit more curious about the impact on Allen for the GOP. I&#8217;ve got to think that this can&#8217;t help him in the whole not-Rudy, not-McCain stakes. So who benefits from this election tonight? Romney? Huckabee? Or maybe all the social conservatives get a black eye and Rudy and McCain look that much stronger?</p>
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		<title>By: Knemon</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2005/11/08/some-election-stuff/comment-page-1/#comment-7806</link>
		<dc:creator>Knemon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2005 05:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://vote2005.ss.ca.gov/Returns/prop/01.htm

Okay, so we weren&#039;t the *only* ones ...</description>
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<p>Okay, so we weren&#8217;t the *only* ones &#8230;</p>
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