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	<title>Comments on: Bob Woodward: The Grinch Who Stole Fitzmas</title>
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		<title>By: Decision &#8216;08 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Viveca Novak: The Grinch&#8217;s Assistant</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2005/11/16/bob-woodward-the-grinch-who-stole-fitzmas/comment-page-1/#comment-8858</link>
		<dc:creator>Decision &#8216;08 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Viveca Novak: The Grinch&#8217;s Assistant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Dec 2005 23:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] If Bob Woodward is the Grinch That Stole Fitzmas (and he is), Viveca Novak is surely his right-hand (wo)man. Novak, who becomes yet another journalist casualty of the Fitzgerald investigation (she&#8217;s been placed on leave of absence by TIME), provides the airtight alibi that exonerates Karl Rove, now that it is plain that Fitzgerald&#8217;s investigation is one of perjury and not &#8216;outing&#8217; a CIA asset:  Toward the end of one of our meetings, I remember Luskin looking at me and saying something to the effect of &#8220;Karl doesn&#8217;t have a Cooper problem. He was not a source for Matt.&#8221; I responded instinctively, thinking he was trying to spin me, and said something like, &#8220;Are you sure about that? That&#8217;s not what I hear around TIME.&#8221; He looked surprised and very serious. &#8220;There&#8217;s nothing in the phone logs,&#8221; he said. In the course of the investigation, the logs of all Rove&#8217;s calls around the July 2003 time period&#8211;when two stories, including Matt&#8217;s, were published mentioning that Plame was Wilson&#8217;s wife&#8211;had been combed, and Luskin was telling me there were no references to Matt. (Cooper called via the White House switchboard, which may be why there is no record.) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] If Bob Woodward is the Grinch That Stole Fitzmas (and he is), Viveca Novak is surely his right-hand (wo)man. Novak, who becomes yet another journalist casualty of the Fitzgerald investigation (she&#8217;s been placed on leave of absence by TIME), provides the airtight alibi that exonerates Karl Rove, now that it is plain that Fitzgerald&#8217;s investigation is one of perjury and not &#8216;outing&#8217; a CIA asset:  Toward the end of one of our meetings, I remember Luskin looking at me and saying something to the effect of &#8220;Karl doesn&#8217;t have a Cooper problem. He was not a source for Matt.&#8221; I responded instinctively, thinking he was trying to spin me, and said something like, &#8220;Are you sure about that? That&#8217;s not what I hear around TIME.&#8221; He looked surprised and very serious. &#8220;There&#8217;s nothing in the phone logs,&#8221; he said. In the course of the investigation, the logs of all Rove&#8217;s calls around the July 2003 time period&#8211;when two stories, including Matt&#8217;s, were published mentioning that Plame was Wilson&#8217;s wife&#8211;had been combed, and Luskin was telling me there were no references to Matt. (Cooper called via the White House switchboard, which may be why there is no record.) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Decision &#8216;08 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Decision &#8216;08 Turns One</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2005/11/16/bob-woodward-the-grinch-who-stole-fitzmas/comment-page-1/#comment-8304</link>
		<dc:creator>Decision &#8216;08 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Decision &#8216;08 Turns One</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2005 04:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The Strata-Sphere &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Fitzmas Makes Its Mark!</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2005/11/16/bob-woodward-the-grinch-who-stole-fitzmas/comment-page-1/#comment-8301</link>
		<dc:creator>The Strata-Sphere &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Fitzmas Makes Its Mark!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2005 03:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] OK, that is one pun laden post title - as you will see in a second. Jack Kelly was discussing the Woodward Fitzmas bringing coal in the stockings, and mentioned a dear blog friend Mark Coffey!  But what really makes Mr. Woodward, in the delicious phrase of Web logger Mark Coffey, &#8220;the Grinch who stole Fitzmas,&#8221; is his admission that it might have been he who mentioned to Mr. Libby that Mr. Wilson&#8217;s wife worked for the CIA [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] OK, that is one pun laden post title &#8211; as you will see in a second. Jack Kelly was discussing the Woodward Fitzmas bringing coal in the stockings, and mentioned a dear blog friend Mark Coffey!  But what really makes Mr. Woodward, in the delicious phrase of Web logger Mark Coffey, &#8220;the Grinch who stole Fitzmas,&#8221; is his admission that it might have been he who mentioned to Mr. Libby that Mr. Wilson&#8217;s wife worked for the CIA [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Decision &#8216;08 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Is It Stephen Hadley? I Do Believe It Is</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2005/11/16/bob-woodward-the-grinch-who-stole-fitzmas/comment-page-1/#comment-8270</link>
		<dc:creator>Decision &#8216;08 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Is It Stephen Hadley? I Do Believe It Is</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2005 05:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Times of London becomes the first major media outlet I&#8217;m aware of to confirm - sort of - the scuttlebutt that Stephen Hadley was the source for Bob Woodward, and thus the new first person to reveal Valarie Plame&#8217;s identity to a reporter: The mysterious source who gave America’s foremost journalist, Bob Woodward, a tip-off about the CIA agent at the centre of one of Washington’s biggest political storms was Stephen Hadley, the White House national security adviser, according to lawyers close to the investigation. Here&#8217;s what Hadley was up to at the time:  Two years ago, when Plame’s identity was first revealed, Hadley was Condoleezza Rice’s deputy at the NSC. He is also thought to have been a key source for two books by Woodward on the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks.  I never out-and-out named Hadley, but I&#8217;m not surprised. When Woodward first came out with his bombshell, I had this to say: Just a random thought here: who gave Woodward the most access? Colin Powell’s State Department…second most: Rumsfeld’s team at Defense&#8230; Well, I had the wrong departments, but the right idea&#8230;just look for whoever Woodward talked to for his books, and there&#8217;s your culprit. Not a big stretch&#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Times of London becomes the first major media outlet I&#8217;m aware of to confirm &#8211; sort of &#8211; the scuttlebutt that Stephen Hadley was the source for Bob Woodward, and thus the new first person to reveal Valarie Plame&#8217;s identity to a reporter: The mysterious source who gave America’s foremost journalist, Bob Woodward, a tip-off about the CIA agent at the centre of one of Washington’s biggest political storms was Stephen Hadley, the White House national security adviser, according to lawyers close to the investigation. Here&#8217;s what Hadley was up to at the time:  Two years ago, when Plame’s identity was first revealed, Hadley was Condoleezza Rice’s deputy at the NSC. He is also thought to have been a key source for two books by Woodward on the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks.  I never out-and-out named Hadley, but I&#8217;m not surprised. When Woodward first came out with his bombshell, I had this to say: Just a random thought here: who gave Woodward the most access? Colin Powell’s State Department…second most: Rumsfeld’s team at Defense&#8230; Well, I had the wrong departments, but the right idea&#8230;just look for whoever Woodward talked to for his books, and there&#8217;s your culprit. Not a big stretch&#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Tar Pit</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2005/11/16/bob-woodward-the-grinch-who-stole-fitzmas/comment-page-1/#comment-8172</link>
		<dc:creator>The Tar Pit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Howie Kurtz pimps lefty bloggers&#039; &quot;passion&quot; for Woodwardgate&lt;/strong&gt;

Readers of the Washington Post didn&#039;t get the whole story from Bob Woodward, and now they aren&#039;t getting it from Howard Kurtz...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Howie Kurtz pimps lefty bloggers&#8217; &#8220;passion&#8221; for Woodwardgate</strong></p>
<p>Readers of the Washington Post didn&#8217;t get the whole story from Bob Woodward, and now they aren&#8217;t getting it from Howard Kurtz&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mtl</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2005/11/16/bob-woodward-the-grinch-who-stole-fitzmas/comment-page-1/#comment-8162</link>
		<dc:creator>mtl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The perjury charge is that fitz contends that Libby was never asked about Plame by the media, when he said he had been when he talked to Russert/cooper on July 10/11.

The obstruction and false statements stem from the same incident-just at different levels of the investigation.
He obstructed justice by lying about his source as another reporter, according to Fitz, made false statements to the investigators on the same topic, and same deal with the perjury, as he was under oath later before the GJ.

His story never changed as he worked his way up.

His defense will continue to be, &#039;while I knew from classifed info, I also found that media knew.  I never confirmed the info, just passed along the same questions I was recieving from the media&#039;.

Fizzes case rest on the fact that reporters never knew, so it was impossible for them to have asked the question of Libby.

Managing editor of Time in Washignton stated in a letter to the judge that Plame&#039;s job was known by media. 

Gen Vallely states he was told by Wilson in a green room at Fox-isn&#039;t fox in the media?
Who else was in the green room?

This is going to be the biggest non-frog march in the hx of scandals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The perjury charge is that fitz contends that Libby was never asked about Plame by the media, when he said he had been when he talked to Russert/cooper on July 10/11.</p>
<p>The obstruction and false statements stem from the same incident-just at different levels of the investigation.<br />
He obstructed justice by lying about his source as another reporter, according to Fitz, made false statements to the investigators on the same topic, and same deal with the perjury, as he was under oath later before the GJ.</p>
<p>His story never changed as he worked his way up.</p>
<p>His defense will continue to be, &#8216;while I knew from classifed info, I also found that media knew.  I never confirmed the info, just passed along the same questions I was recieving from the media&#8217;.</p>
<p>Fizzes case rest on the fact that reporters never knew, so it was impossible for them to have asked the question of Libby.</p>
<p>Managing editor of Time in Washignton stated in a letter to the judge that Plame&#8217;s job was known by media. </p>
<p>Gen Vallely states he was told by Wilson in a green room at Fox-isn&#8217;t fox in the media?<br />
Who else was in the green room?</p>
<p>This is going to be the biggest non-frog march in the hx of scandals.</p>
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		<title>By: ReidBlog</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2005/11/16/bob-woodward-the-grinch-who-stole-fitzmas/comment-page-1/#comment-8156</link>
		<dc:creator>ReidBlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;So when does he apologize to the rest of us?&lt;/strong&gt;

...So besides proving that Woodward is as vainglorious and shady as he has always seemed to be (oh goody! We get to play &quot;who is Woodward&#039;s deep throat?&quot; agian!), what does this all mean?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>So when does he apologize to the rest of us?</strong></p>
<p>&#8230;So besides proving that Woodward is as vainglorious and shady as he has always seemed to be (oh goody! We get to play &#8220;who is Woodward&#8217;s deep throat?&#8221; agian!), what does this all mean?</p>
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		<title>By: T. Longren</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2005/11/16/bob-woodward-the-grinch-who-stole-fitzmas/comment-page-1/#comment-8153</link>
		<dc:creator>T. Longren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2005 03:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Woodward Apologizes, Cheney Speaks&lt;/strong&gt;

	This is just getting silly now.  I say just quit now and forget anything ever happened.  There will be no end, there will be no conclusion.  There&#8217;ll always be someone who&#8217;s not talking.  Bob Woodward says he knew of Valerie Plame a month ...</description>
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<p>	This is just getting silly now.  I say just quit now and forget anything ever happened.  There will be no end, there will be no conclusion.  There&#8217;ll always be someone who&#8217;s not talking.  Bob Woodward says he knew of Valerie Plame a month &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: The Right Nation</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2005/11/16/bob-woodward-the-grinch-who-stole-fitzmas/comment-page-1/#comment-8150</link>
		<dc:creator>The Right Nation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2005 02:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;WoodwardGate/2&lt;/strong&gt;

An amazing post by Tom Maguire at JustOneMinute sums up the latest developments of Plamegate after Bob Woodward&#039;s revelations and the possible consequences on the ongoing investigation. Basically, Fitzgerald did a lousy job since the beginning. He &quot;b...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>WoodwardGate/2</strong></p>
<p>An amazing post by Tom Maguire at JustOneMinute sums up the latest developments of Plamegate after Bob Woodward&#8217;s revelations and the possible consequences on the ongoing investigation. Basically, Fitzgerald did a lousy job since the beginning. He &#8220;b&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2005 00:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jaed, you nailed it...and Sean John, you&#039;re quite right that this doesn&#039;t change the perjury charge...however, it makes Fitz&#039;s job much more difficult, as Libby&#039;s lawyers will (and they are already signalling this) make the case about the relationship between journalists and their sources...you might not buy it, but how sure are you a jury won&#039;t?...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jaed, you nailed it&#8230;and Sean John, you&#8217;re quite right that this doesn&#8217;t change the perjury charge&#8230;however, it makes Fitz&#8217;s job much more difficult, as Libby&#8217;s lawyers will (and they are already signalling this) make the case about the relationship between journalists and their sources&#8230;you might not buy it, but how sure are you a jury won&#8217;t?&#8230;</p>
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