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		<title>By: Private Servers</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2005/11/19/what-did-we-know-in-2002/comment-page-1/#comment-812640</link>
		<dc:creator>Private Servers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Feb 2011 20:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Habbo Retros...&lt;/strong&gt;

Habbo Retros are slowly attracting more users with each passing day, most people prefer to play Habbo Retros with pets according to a recent google study, further evidence also supports that Habbo Retros have lead to an annual decrease in revenue for s...</description>
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<p>Habbo Retros are slowly attracting more users with each passing day, most people prefer to play Habbo Retros with pets according to a recent google study, further evidence also supports that Habbo Retros have lead to an annual decrease in revenue for s&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Decision &#8216;08 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Suicide Bombing As A Career Move</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2005/11/19/what-did-we-know-in-2002/comment-page-1/#comment-8874</link>
		<dc:creator>Decision &#8216;08 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Suicide Bombing As A Career Move</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] When Saddam Hussein provided money to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers, I referred to it as a &#8216;de facto declaration of war&#8217; on Israel. Now, Mahmoud Abbas, a man I and other friends of Israel had high hopes for, has proven himself a moral coward on the level of Hussein, at least in this instance: The head of the Palestinian Authority, Mahmoud Abbas, has approved a new law, providing monetary grants to the families of suicide bombers. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] When Saddam Hussein provided money to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers, I referred to it as a &#8216;de facto declaration of war&#8217; on Israel. Now, Mahmoud Abbas, a man I and other friends of Israel had high hopes for, has proven himself a moral coward on the level of Hussein, at least in this instance: The head of the Palestinian Authority, Mahmoud Abbas, has approved a new law, providing monetary grants to the families of suicide bombers. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Decision &#8216;08 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; It&#8217;s a Carnival Monday</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2005/11/19/what-did-we-know-in-2002/comment-page-1/#comment-8326</link>
		<dc:creator>Decision &#8216;08 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; It&#8217;s a Carnival Monday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: too many steves</title>
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		<dc:creator>too many steves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2005 13:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said.

President George W. Bush, faced with all the evidence you cite plus the recent history with Saddam (back to 1991), had no choice but to act as he did.  Other persons in his position may have acted differently, choosing diplomacy or appeasement, but their actions would have been directed at the same end: to protect, preserve, and defend the United States.  He had a judgement to make: either stay the course and hope there was not another 9/11 (or other attacks such as the Cole and the embassy bombings) or act against a broadly recognized, and self-identified, threat.

I, for one, cannot fault him for erring on the side of safety and security.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said.</p>
<p>President George W. Bush, faced with all the evidence you cite plus the recent history with Saddam (back to 1991), had no choice but to act as he did.  Other persons in his position may have acted differently, choosing diplomacy or appeasement, but their actions would have been directed at the same end: to protect, preserve, and defend the United States.  He had a judgement to make: either stay the course and hope there was not another 9/11 (or other attacks such as the Cole and the embassy bombings) or act against a broadly recognized, and self-identified, threat.</p>
<p>I, for one, cannot fault him for erring on the side of safety and security.</p>
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		<title>By: SpeckBlog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Bush Lied Meme</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2005/11/19/what-did-we-know-in-2002/comment-page-1/#comment-8269</link>
		<dc:creator>SpeckBlog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Bush Lied Meme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2005 05:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Decision &#8216;08 As with everything in the 21st century, it all comes back to those 4 hijacked airplanes. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: louielouie</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2005/11/19/what-did-we-know-in-2002/comment-page-1/#comment-8268</link>
		<dc:creator>louielouie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2005 05:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i would like to take a stab at being leftist for a sec.
in addition to the (5) enumerated &quot;facts&quot;, for myself, an item 1-B would be that 15 of the 19 hijackers were saudi.  and while i don&#039;t think the saudi royal family planned the four plane attack, i don&#039;t share the majority opinion that the saudis are our ally or our friend.  given my bigotry toward anything saud, i hurl each time i see the picture of bush holding hands with the crown prince abdullah(sp) or whatever his name/title is. 
where am i going with this?
there were a lot of detractors to the war with iraq who were asking why we weren&#039;t invading saudi arabia.  my only opinion on that was that is what it was, a detraction of/on the war with iraq.
however, that is not, imo, an adequate response to what i still call &quot;the saudi issue&quot;.  it has not, and probably won&#039;t ever be addressed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i would like to take a stab at being leftist for a sec.<br />
in addition to the (5) enumerated &#8220;facts&#8221;, for myself, an item 1-B would be that 15 of the 19 hijackers were saudi.  and while i don&#8217;t think the saudi royal family planned the four plane attack, i don&#8217;t share the majority opinion that the saudis are our ally or our friend.  given my bigotry toward anything saud, i hurl each time i see the picture of bush holding hands with the crown prince abdullah(sp) or whatever his name/title is.<br />
where am i going with this?<br />
there were a lot of detractors to the war with iraq who were asking why we weren&#8217;t invading saudi arabia.  my only opinion on that was that is what it was, a detraction of/on the war with iraq.<br />
however, that is not, imo, an adequate response to what i still call &#8220;the saudi issue&#8221;.  it has not, and probably won&#8217;t ever be addressed.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2005/11/19/what-did-we-know-in-2002/comment-page-1/#comment-8267</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2005 05:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fatman, I think we would have gone into Iraq anyway, but certainly that added impetus - we can&#039;t go after North Korea precisely because they have nukes...that&#039;s one more reason Saddam couldn&#039;t be allowed to get there...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fatman, I think we would have gone into Iraq anyway, but certainly that added impetus &#8211; we can&#8217;t go after North Korea precisely because they have nukes&#8230;that&#8217;s one more reason Saddam couldn&#8217;t be allowed to get there&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: fatman</title>
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		<dc:creator>fatman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2005 04:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always thought that the biggest mistake in the pre-war planning was expecting the Shia to greet us with open arms. As the Cuban freedom fighters did thirty years earlier against Castro, the Shia rose up against Saddam because they thought we&#039;d help them. And like the Cubans, they got burned. Badly.

We seem to have won them over now, but I&#039;m still a little concerned about how things will go if we eventually pull out. 

As an added thought, what effect do you suppose the finding that North Korea had reneged on its treaty with us and was building nukes had on the decision to go into Iraq?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always thought that the biggest mistake in the pre-war planning was expecting the Shia to greet us with open arms. As the Cuban freedom fighters did thirty years earlier against Castro, the Shia rose up against Saddam because they thought we&#8217;d help them. And like the Cubans, they got burned. Badly.</p>
<p>We seem to have won them over now, but I&#8217;m still a little concerned about how things will go if we eventually pull out. </p>
<p>As an added thought, what effect do you suppose the finding that North Korea had reneged on its treaty with us and was building nukes had on the decision to go into Iraq?</p>
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