Comments on: With McCain, There’s Plenty To Love And Hate http://informedspeculation.com/2005/11/26/with-mccain-therel-plenty-to-love-and-hate/ Refunds Cheerfully Given To All Who Disagree Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:53:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Scaramonga http://informedspeculation.com/2005/11/26/with-mccain-therel-plenty-to-love-and-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-8526 Scaramonga Wed, 30 Nov 2005 03:05:04 +0000 http://decision08.net/2005/11/26/with-mccain-therel-plenty-to-love-and-hate/#comment-8526 McCain's a backstabbing snake and will never get the nomination. McCain’s a backstabbing snake and will never get the nomination.

]]> By: Mark http://informedspeculation.com/2005/11/26/with-mccain-therel-plenty-to-love-and-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-8487 Mark Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:07:35 +0000 http://decision08.net/2005/11/26/with-mccain-therel-plenty-to-love-and-hate/#comment-8487 David, I think they both will run...and that will make for a very interesting primary season, no doubt...but my considerable influence? I know you're kidding...I can't even influence my beagle, much less those two...have a good one! David, I think they both will run…and that will make for a very interesting primary season, no doubt…but my considerable influence? I know you’re kidding…I can’t even influence my beagle, much less those two…have a good one!

]]> By: David M. Smith http://informedspeculation.com/2005/11/26/with-mccain-therel-plenty-to-love-and-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-8486 David M. Smith Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:05:41 +0000 http://decision08.net/2005/11/26/with-mccain-therel-plenty-to-love-and-hate/#comment-8486 Hi Mark, I think the best scenario for Republicans is if Rudy and Senator McCain both run and both stay in the race through Super Tuesday. Social Conservatives would not need to coalesce around a single candidate until late in the game and Senator McCain would have to be more than an alternative candidate. The voters would have more choices and the best candidate would have to rise to the top by articulating the best vision, not raising the most money. Perhaps you could use some of your considerable influence to twist a few of the right arms in order to make it happen. : -) I don’t know how any of us can really predict what will happen in ‘08’. Those of us who have been around the block a few times can use history as a guide, but every election has its quirks. Logic tells me that Senator Clinton is a quirk that has no chance, then I remember that Gore was inches from being elected, Kerry received more votes than any Democrat in History, and Ross Perot hasn’t popped up in about nine years. Hi Ryan, I’m not sure of your point in your comment. Are you claiming it would be great if McCain got the nomination or are you claiming it would be great if social conservatives didn’t vote? Hi Mark,

I think the best scenario for Republicans is if Rudy and Senator McCain both run and both stay in the race through Super Tuesday. Social Conservatives would not need to coalesce around a single candidate until late in the game and Senator McCain would have to be more than an alternative candidate. The voters would have more choices and the best candidate would have to rise to the top by articulating the best vision, not raising the most money.

Perhaps you could use some of your considerable influence to twist a few of the right arms in order to make it happen. : -)

I don’t know how any of us can really predict what will happen in ‘08’. Those of us who have been around the block a few times can use history as a guide, but every election has its quirks. Logic tells me that Senator Clinton is a quirk that has no chance, then I remember that Gore was inches from being elected, Kerry received more votes than any Democrat in History, and Ross Perot hasn’t popped up in about nine years.
Hi Ryan,

I’m not sure of your point in your comment. Are you claiming it would be great if McCain got the nomination or are you claiming it would be great if social conservatives didn’t vote?

]]> By: Mark http://informedspeculation.com/2005/11/26/with-mccain-therel-plenty-to-love-and-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-8485 Mark Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:39:38 +0000 http://decision08.net/2005/11/26/with-mccain-therel-plenty-to-love-and-hate/#comment-8485 David, you make some very good points...my prognosticating ability is hazy at the moment because of Rudy G.'s deliberate silence. I think any challenger who doesn't count on facing both of them (and they'll both be formidable) will be making a big mistake... David, you make some very good points…my prognosticating ability is hazy at the moment because of Rudy G.’s deliberate silence. I think any challenger who doesn’t count on facing both of them (and they’ll both be formidable) will be making a big mistake…

]]> By: Ryan Bonneville http://informedspeculation.com/2005/11/26/with-mccain-therel-plenty-to-love-and-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-8484 Ryan Bonneville Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:29:52 +0000 http://decision08.net/2005/11/26/with-mccain-therel-plenty-to-love-and-hate/#comment-8484 <i>If the opposite would happen and McCain would get the nomination, I would vote for him, but also think there would be many social conservatives who would stay home.</i> One can only hope. If the opposite would happen and McCain would get the nomination, I would vote for him, but also think there would be many social conservatives who would stay home.

One can only hope.

]]> By: David M. Smith http://informedspeculation.com/2005/11/26/with-mccain-therel-plenty-to-love-and-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-8483 David M. Smith Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:08:21 +0000 http://decision08.net/2005/11/26/with-mccain-therel-plenty-to-love-and-hate/#comment-8483 I think Senator McCain is bad news for Republicans in ‘08’. He probably can’t win the nomination, but he can get a significant amount of primary voters. Some of his primary votes will be Democrats who would never vote for a social conservative, some will be moderate Republicans who would never vote for a social conservative, but many will also be moderate Republicans who would vote for a social conservative Republican. Also, some of his support and votes will come from moderates who could win the nomination if given a chance without Senator McCain in the field. However, at the end of the primary process, these moderate Republicans will be so upset with how the social conservative nominee trashed McCain, many will stay home in the general election. There should be no doubt Senator McCain will go for the nomination. Then there will be talk of a third party in the Big Media as he fails to cross the finish line. Finally, it will depend on how much effort McCain puts into supporting the Republican nominee. He may not be Prez, but he still wields a tremendous amount of power now and for the foreseeable future. I have to admire his Machiavellian achievements. If the opposite would happen and McCain would get the nomination, I would vote for him, but also think there would be many social conservatives who would stay home. I don’t like where this is headed, but it is a scenario that usually does always happen to the party in power and it will have to run its course. The result may be the second President Clinton. How does one couple get so lucky? I think Senator McCain is bad news for Republicans in ‘08’. He probably can’t win the nomination, but he can get a significant amount of primary voters. Some of his primary votes will be Democrats who would never vote for a social conservative, some will be moderate Republicans who would never vote for a social conservative, but many will also be moderate Republicans who would vote for a social conservative Republican. Also, some of his support and votes will come from moderates who could win the nomination if given a chance without Senator McCain in the field. However, at the end of the primary process, these moderate Republicans will be so upset with how the social conservative nominee trashed McCain, many will stay home in the general election.

There should be no doubt Senator McCain will go for the nomination. Then there will be talk of a third party in the Big Media as he fails to cross the finish line. Finally, it will depend on how much effort McCain puts into supporting the Republican nominee. He may not be Prez, but he still wields a tremendous amount of power now and for the foreseeable future. I have to admire his Machiavellian achievements.

If the opposite would happen and McCain would get the nomination, I would vote for him, but also think there would be many social conservatives who would stay home. I don’t like where this is headed, but it is a scenario that usually does always happen to the party in power and it will have to run its course. The result may be the second President Clinton. How does one couple get so lucky?

]]> By: AcademicElephant http://informedspeculation.com/2005/11/26/with-mccain-therel-plenty-to-love-and-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-8450 AcademicElephant Sun, 27 Nov 2005 14:16:18 +0000 http://decision08.net/2005/11/26/with-mccain-therel-plenty-to-love-and-hate/#comment-8450 I think the lay-low strategy is very, very wise. Wonder if that's what Tom Ridge is doing? I think the lay-low strategy is very, very wise. Wonder if that’s what Tom Ridge is doing?

]]> By: Mark Coffey http://informedspeculation.com/2005/11/26/with-mccain-therel-plenty-to-love-and-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-8444 Mark Coffey Sat, 26 Nov 2005 23:50:37 +0000 http://decision08.net/2005/11/26/with-mccain-therel-plenty-to-love-and-hate/#comment-8444 Colin, re: all the McCain posts, it's just turned out that way...he's been making a push to be seen and heard, and Rudy seems to have adopted a lay low strategy, so McCain is the man of the hour... Colin, re: all the McCain posts, it’s just turned out that way…he’s been making a push to be seen and heard, and Rudy seems to have adopted a lay low strategy, so McCain is the man of the hour…

]]> By: louielouie http://informedspeculation.com/2005/11/26/with-mccain-therel-plenty-to-love-and-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-8443 louielouie Sat, 26 Nov 2005 19:55:57 +0000 http://decision08.net/2005/11/26/with-mccain-therel-plenty-to-love-and-hate/#comment-8443 mCcain voted against the bridge to nowhere???? in OK you would think coburn was the only senator to vote against it. the OK media are crucifying him. mCcain voted against the bridge to nowhere????
in OK you would think coburn was the only senator to vote against it.
the OK media are crucifying him.

]]> By: Colin http://informedspeculation.com/2005/11/26/with-mccain-therel-plenty-to-love-and-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-8442 Colin Sat, 26 Nov 2005 18:43:55 +0000 http://decision08.net/2005/11/26/with-mccain-therel-plenty-to-love-and-hate/#comment-8442 By the way Mark, what's with all of the McCain posts recently? By the way Mark, what’s with all of the McCain posts recently?

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