Comments on: Rudy G. On The Senate’s Short Memory http://informedspeculation.com/2005/12/17/rudy-g-on-the-senates-short-memory/ Refunds Cheerfully Given To All Who Disagree Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:53:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Ryan Bonneville http://informedspeculation.com/2005/12/17/rudy-g-on-the-senates-short-memory/comment-page-1/#comment-9219 Ryan Bonneville Sun, 18 Dec 2005 07:20:20 +0000 http://decision08.net/2005/12/17/rudy-g-on-the-senates-short-memory/#comment-9219 dmac: Do you honestly believe that life here is anything like life in Israel? We may as well say "Look what it was like in Nazi Germany!" to justify policy. I don't contend that PATRIOT Act doesn't do any good; I just think it's patently unconstitutional and certainly not worth the cost. As for wide approval, maybe the president should, you know, ask the American people if they approve before he starts spying on them. On top of all that, I'm not entirely convinced that Israel really needs to do a great many of the questionable things it does. There is no doubt that a good half of Israel's problems are self-inflicted. Mark: It would let everyone see just exactly what a bunch of hooligans the Bush administration is. I'd love to know who's on the list because I have a suspicion that a fair number of them aren't likely to be threats to anyone. As for the number of operations blown open, oh well. They shouldn't have been in existence in the first place. dmac: Do you honestly believe that life here is anything like life in Israel? We may as well say “Look what it was like in Nazi Germany!” to justify policy. I don’t contend that PATRIOT Act doesn’t do any good; I just think it’s patently unconstitutional and certainly not worth the cost. As for wide approval, maybe the president should, you know, ask the American people if they approve before he starts spying on them. On top of all that, I’m not entirely convinced that Israel really needs to do a great many of the questionable things it does. There is no doubt that a good half of Israel’s problems are self-inflicted.

Mark: It would let everyone see just exactly what a bunch of hooligans the Bush administration is. I’d love to know who’s on the list because I have a suspicion that a fair number of them aren’t likely to be threats to anyone. As for the number of operations blown open, oh well. They shouldn’t have been in existence in the first place.

]]> By: dmac http://informedspeculation.com/2005/12/17/rudy-g-on-the-senates-short-memory/comment-page-1/#comment-9210 dmac Sat, 17 Dec 2005 21:57:14 +0000 http://decision08.net/2005/12/17/rudy-g-on-the-senates-short-memory/#comment-9210 Ryan should spend a few weeks in Israel, and perhaps then he'd know what a country must do to survive and anticipate terrorist attacks. Their surveillance of their own citizens (which is widely approved) makes the Patriot Act look like child's play. Ryan should spend a few weeks in Israel, and perhaps then he’d know what a country must do to survive and anticipate terrorist attacks. Their surveillance of their own citizens (which is widely approved) makes the Patriot Act look like child’s play.

]]> By: Mark http://informedspeculation.com/2005/12/17/rudy-g-on-the-senates-short-memory/comment-page-1/#comment-9206 Mark Sat, 17 Dec 2005 20:29:09 +0000 http://decision08.net/2005/12/17/rudy-g-on-the-senates-short-memory/#comment-9206 What good would that list do you or Clemons, Ryan? On the flip side, how many operations might it blow wide open? If you want to argue that the policy is wrong, you can certainly make a strong case, I don't deny that - but who benefits from publicizing that list? I can see a lot of people who would be harmed by it... What good would that list do you or Clemons, Ryan? On the flip side, how many operations might it blow wide open? If you want to argue that the policy is wrong, you can certainly make a strong case, I don’t deny that – but who benefits from publicizing that list? I can see a lot of people who would be harmed by it…

]]> By: Ryan Bonneville http://informedspeculation.com/2005/12/17/rudy-g-on-the-senates-short-memory/comment-page-1/#comment-9201 Ryan Bonneville Sat, 17 Dec 2005 19:41:51 +0000 http://decision08.net/2005/12/17/rudy-g-on-the-senates-short-memory/#comment-9201 I think what Clemons should have said is no COMPELLING national security rationale. We can yammer on all we like about terrorists and nuclear weapons and dirty bombs, but if there's a good reason to wiretap someone then a court will approve it. If not, the cost to civil liberties is way way way way way too high. I too would like a list of the people who have been spied on. And Rudy's a great guy and all, but he forgets the one major problem with the PATRIOT Act: this administration. I don't care how many new provisions you cram in, this is an administration that spies on its citizens and tortures its prisoners. Give it more police power to "prevent terrorist attacks?" No thanks. I think what Clemons should have said is no COMPELLING national security rationale. We can yammer on all we like about terrorists and nuclear weapons and dirty bombs, but if there’s a good reason to wiretap someone then a court will approve it. If not, the cost to civil liberties is way way way way way too high. I too would like a list of the people who have been spied on.

And Rudy’s a great guy and all, but he forgets the one major problem with the PATRIOT Act: this administration. I don’t care how many new provisions you cram in, this is an administration that spies on its citizens and tortures its prisoners. Give it more police power to “prevent terrorist attacks?” No thanks.

]]> By: Mark http://informedspeculation.com/2005/12/17/rudy-g-on-the-senates-short-memory/comment-page-1/#comment-9198 Mark Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:28:00 +0000 http://decision08.net/2005/12/17/rudy-g-on-the-senates-short-memory/#comment-9198 Knemon, a very Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to you, as well...you were one of my original supporters, and I won't forget that...hurry back as quickly as you can, best of luck on your move, and drive safely... Knemon, a very Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to you, as well…you were one of my original supporters, and I won’t forget that…hurry back as quickly as you can, best of luck on your move, and drive safely…

]]> By: Knemon http://informedspeculation.com/2005/12/17/rudy-g-on-the-senates-short-memory/comment-page-1/#comment-9192 Knemon Sat, 17 Dec 2005 17:38:48 +0000 http://decision08.net/2005/12/17/rudy-g-on-the-senates-short-memory/#comment-9192 Rudy = the nation's top cop under Reagan = Rudy Can't Fail. With all due respect to Sen. Allen, does he have law enforcement experience? Disaster management (not just 9/11; NYC was a disaster area long before that) experience? Experience standing up to blue collar *and* white collar malfeasance? Yes, I know. Rudy wore a dress on Saturday Night Live. O the iniquity! * MC, we're moving (to Sen. Allen's state, no less) tomorrow, where we probably won't have broadband, at least not right away. It may be a long time before I have the time to comment, so ... Merry Christmas & Happy New Year! Rudy = the nation’s top cop under Reagan = Rudy Can’t Fail.

With all due respect to Sen. Allen, does he have law enforcement experience? Disaster management (not just 9/11; NYC was a disaster area long before that) experience? Experience standing up to blue collar *and* white collar malfeasance?

Yes, I know. Rudy wore a dress on Saturday Night Live. O the iniquity!

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MC, we’re moving (to Sen. Allen’s state, no less) tomorrow, where we probably won’t have broadband, at least not right away. It may be a long time before I have the time to comment, so … Merry Christmas & Happy New Year!

]]> By: dmac http://informedspeculation.com/2005/12/17/rudy-g-on-the-senates-short-memory/comment-page-1/#comment-9187 dmac Sat, 17 Dec 2005 16:22:57 +0000 http://decision08.net/2005/12/17/rudy-g-on-the-senates-short-memory/#comment-9187 Rudy doesn't even mention the fact that we've never seen the footage of the actual destruction of the towers in any of the MSM for over 4 years now. Nor have we seen the harrowing scenes of desperate people hanging out of the windows, then jumping to their deaths. But of course, we see 24/7 the coverage of bombs that go off in Iraq, the inane poseurs like Mother Sheehan, and the sonorous tones of our daily combat casualties. No doubt some of these subjects are important, but during this time there is no review or perspective regarding why the hell we went to the ME in the first place. Collective amnesia has been forced - fed to us by the MSM for a long time now, and we can only hope the effect will not be permanent. Rudy doesn’t even mention the fact that we’ve never seen the footage of the actual destruction of the towers in any of the MSM for over 4 years now. Nor have we seen the harrowing scenes of desperate people hanging out of the windows, then jumping to their deaths.

But of course, we see 24/7 the coverage of bombs that go off in Iraq, the inane poseurs like Mother Sheehan, and the sonorous tones of our daily combat casualties. No doubt some of these subjects are important, but during this time there is no review or perspective regarding why the hell we went to the ME in the first place.

Collective amnesia has been forced – fed to us by the MSM for a long time now, and we can only hope the effect will not be permanent.

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