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		<title>By: dmac</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/01/13/hatch-to-democrats-a-filibuster-bring-it-on/comment-page-1/#comment-10668</link>
		<dc:creator>dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2006 03:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It’s as silly as digging up John Kerry quotes from when he was at Viet Vets Against the War and insisting that what you say at 25 is somehow relevant to what you believe at 55...&quot;

I believe I know a few Vietnam veterans who saw active combat during the war who would have quite a different viewpoint regarding that statement, as well as a few POW&#039;s who had to listen to said comments replayed to them by tape during their &quot;sessions.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s as silly as digging up John Kerry quotes from when he was at Viet Vets Against the War and insisting that what you say at 25 is somehow relevant to what you believe at 55&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I believe I know a few Vietnam veterans who saw active combat during the war who would have quite a different viewpoint regarding that statement, as well as a few POW&#8217;s who had to listen to said comments replayed to them by tape during their &#8220;sessions.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Hokie Explorer</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/01/13/hatch-to-democrats-a-filibuster-bring-it-on/comment-page-1/#comment-10639</link>
		<dc:creator>Hokie Explorer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2006 01:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t be unhappy if affirmative action got shot down.  I&#039;m primarily concerned with civil liberties issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t be unhappy if affirmative action got shot down.  I&#8217;m primarily concerned with civil liberties issues.</p>
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		<title>By: too many steves</title>
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		<dc:creator>too many steves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2006 01:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter: well said.  I find it interesting that during the hearings the Dems spent a LOT of time hashing and rehashing the same point (Vanguard, CAP, etc.) rather than focusing in on the broader issue (affirmative action versus anti-women and minorities).  Which leads this cynic to believe that questioning Alito wasn&#039;t the point - speaking to the base was...

Oh, and can I add: what is up with Biden and the Princeton hat?  He bloviates without purpose, comes out and says, essentially, I won&#039;t vote for him (Alito), and decries the process as useless, and then he puts on the hat, playfully?  What a dickhead!  In my business they call that Grin F*&amp;#ing, which ain&#039;t a good thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter: well said.  I find it interesting that during the hearings the Dems spent a LOT of time hashing and rehashing the same point (Vanguard, CAP, etc.) rather than focusing in on the broader issue (affirmative action versus anti-women and minorities).  Which leads this cynic to believe that questioning Alito wasn&#8217;t the point &#8211; speaking to the base was&#8230;</p>
<p>Oh, and can I add: what is up with Biden and the Princeton hat?  He bloviates without purpose, comes out and says, essentially, I won&#8217;t vote for him (Alito), and decries the process as useless, and then he puts on the hat, playfully?  What a dickhead!  In my business they call that Grin F*&amp;#ing, which ain&#8217;t a good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2006 00:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam Alito was a Princeton undergraduate from 1968 to 1972.  As it happens, I grew up in Princeton and was a high school student for those four years.  To put things mildly, it was a crazy time:  Kent State, Woodstock, the Chicago Eight, and Willy Burlingham (a Princeton undergraduate who thought he could stop the war by blowing up the Engineering building, but succeeded only in stinking up the place after he put gasoline-soaked rags in the HVAC system).  Bob Dylan got an honorary doctorate at Princeton (and memorialized the event with “Day of the Locusts” on the New Morning album).

Princeton, which had always been a fairly conservative place, was torn apart.  On the one hand, Pink Floyd played at McCarter Theater – on the other, the white shoe Wall Street types would come every year for the annual P-Rade.  CAP was a group of students and alumni who were on the conservative side of the culture wars of the day.  Princeton had recently gone co-ed, and there was some backlash against that.  However, it was basically an innocuous group which gathered in the eating clubs to drink gin and tonics and talk about how great things were in the good old days.

To try to make Alito into some kind of Luddite because of CAP is just ludicrous.  It’s as silly as digging up John Kerry quotes from when he was at Viet Vets Against the War and insisting that what you say at 25 is somehow relevant to what you believe at 55.  George Bush got a free pass for saying that when he was young and stupid, he did things which were young and stupid.  Alito deserves the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam Alito was a Princeton undergraduate from 1968 to 1972.  As it happens, I grew up in Princeton and was a high school student for those four years.  To put things mildly, it was a crazy time:  Kent State, Woodstock, the Chicago Eight, and Willy Burlingham (a Princeton undergraduate who thought he could stop the war by blowing up the Engineering building, but succeeded only in stinking up the place after he put gasoline-soaked rags in the HVAC system).  Bob Dylan got an honorary doctorate at Princeton (and memorialized the event with “Day of the Locusts” on the New Morning album).</p>
<p>Princeton, which had always been a fairly conservative place, was torn apart.  On the one hand, Pink Floyd played at McCarter Theater – on the other, the white shoe Wall Street types would come every year for the annual P-Rade.  CAP was a group of students and alumni who were on the conservative side of the culture wars of the day.  Princeton had recently gone co-ed, and there was some backlash against that.  However, it was basically an innocuous group which gathered in the eating clubs to drink gin and tonics and talk about how great things were in the good old days.</p>
<p>To try to make Alito into some kind of Luddite because of CAP is just ludicrous.  It’s as silly as digging up John Kerry quotes from when he was at Viet Vets Against the War and insisting that what you say at 25 is somehow relevant to what you believe at 55.  George Bush got a free pass for saying that when he was young and stupid, he did things which were young and stupid.  Alito deserves the same.</p>
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		<title>By: too many steves</title>
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		<dc:creator>too many steves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2006 00:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting point Clint.  The reporting (and Democrats) all talked about CAP as an organization that opposed the admission of women and minorities but my reading elsewhere indicated that CAP was opposed to affirmative action - a very different thing.  Alito could very well be the swing vote in an anti-affirmative action decision.  Which I would argue is a positive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting point Clint.  The reporting (and Democrats) all talked about CAP as an organization that opposed the admission of women and minorities but my reading elsewhere indicated that CAP was opposed to affirmative action &#8211; a very different thing.  Alito could very well be the swing vote in an anti-affirmative action decision.  Which I would argue is a positive.</p>
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		<title>By: dmac</title>
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		<dc:creator>dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that&#039;s one of the first cases they&#039;ll try to submit again, once he&#039;s sworn in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that&#8217;s one of the first cases they&#8217;ll try to submit again, once he&#8217;s sworn in.</p>
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		<title>By: Clint</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/01/13/hatch-to-democrats-a-filibuster-bring-it-on/comment-page-1/#comment-10604</link>
		<dc:creator>Clint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both the White House and TradeSports are both guestimating 60-70 votes to confirm.  A filibuster seems distinctly unlikely, to say the least.

It&#039;s time to start looking at what controversial cases (especially 5-4 cases with O&#039;Connor, Souter, Stevens, Breyer and Ginsberg as the five) would turn out differently with Alito on the bench...

From memory, the big one seems to be the pair of Michigan affirmative action cases, where O&#039;Connor split the baby in half.  I&#039;m fairly shocked that we haven&#039;t heard this discussed in the context of C.A.P. yet.  It was never credible that Justice Alito would be voting to overturn &lt;i&gt;Plessy&lt;/i&gt; or &lt;i&gt;Brown v Board of Ed.&lt;/i&gt; but &lt;i&gt;Grutter v. Bollinger&lt;/i&gt;?

I&#039;m not a lawyer, so take my opinion with a grain of salt, but I think President Bush just wiped out race-based college admissions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both the White House and TradeSports are both guestimating 60-70 votes to confirm.  A filibuster seems distinctly unlikely, to say the least.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s time to start looking at what controversial cases (especially 5-4 cases with O&#8217;Connor, Souter, Stevens, Breyer and Ginsberg as the five) would turn out differently with Alito on the bench&#8230;</p>
<p>From memory, the big one seems to be the pair of Michigan affirmative action cases, where O&#8217;Connor split the baby in half.  I&#8217;m fairly shocked that we haven&#8217;t heard this discussed in the context of C.A.P. yet.  It was never credible that Justice Alito would be voting to overturn <i>Plessy</i> or <i>Brown v Board of Ed.</i> but <i>Grutter v. Bollinger</i>?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a lawyer, so take my opinion with a grain of salt, but I think President Bush just wiped out race-based college admissions.</p>
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		<title>By: dmac</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/01/13/hatch-to-democrats-a-filibuster-bring-it-on/comment-page-1/#comment-10603</link>
		<dc:creator>dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would be the first to agree with you that the tenet of &quot;advice and consent&quot; is effectively dead these days - more&#039;s the pity. And here&#039;s a surprise - although I was not a Bill Clinton fan, I believe that he was saved from his worst tendencies when there was a divided House and Senate, the so - called &quot;gridlock&quot; effect. Everyone on both sides griped about this continually, which lead me to believe that it wasn&#039;t such a bad situation for the country to find itself in.     

I think if Bush had come into office with a similar dynamic at work, he would&#039;ve been reined in as well from some of his more obvious overreaches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be the first to agree with you that the tenet of &#8220;advice and consent&#8221; is effectively dead these days &#8211; more&#8217;s the pity. And here&#8217;s a surprise &#8211; although I was not a Bill Clinton fan, I believe that he was saved from his worst tendencies when there was a divided House and Senate, the so &#8211; called &#8220;gridlock&#8221; effect. Everyone on both sides griped about this continually, which lead me to believe that it wasn&#8217;t such a bad situation for the country to find itself in.     </p>
<p>I think if Bush had come into office with a similar dynamic at work, he would&#8217;ve been reined in as well from some of his more obvious overreaches.</p>
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		<title>By: Hokie Explorer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hokie Explorer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right; but, that is a terrible attitude to have.  Democracy doesn&#039;t function in its most idealistic sense; however, I think that in our represenative government a nice balance can be achieved.  A monarchy or a dictatorship are very effective ways of governing a country.  So why shouldn&#039;t we have one of those?  Let&#039;s just get rid of the other two parts of government because they slow down decision making.  

I think one of the reasons that the founders did things the way they did is to make decision making intentionally slow.  It takes (and should take) a long time to make decisions.  That way, temporary majorities are marginalized.  That is why court appointments are lifetime deals - so that that they aren&#039;t affected by swings in majority opinions.  The founders were terrified by majorities, and so am I.

The confirmation process should be personal because I want to know what I&#039;m getting.  Once they&#039;re in it is almost impossible to get rid of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right; but, that is a terrible attitude to have.  Democracy doesn&#8217;t function in its most idealistic sense; however, I think that in our represenative government a nice balance can be achieved.  A monarchy or a dictatorship are very effective ways of governing a country.  So why shouldn&#8217;t we have one of those?  Let&#8217;s just get rid of the other two parts of government because they slow down decision making.  </p>
<p>I think one of the reasons that the founders did things the way they did is to make decision making intentionally slow.  It takes (and should take) a long time to make decisions.  That way, temporary majorities are marginalized.  That is why court appointments are lifetime deals &#8211; so that that they aren&#8217;t affected by swings in majority opinions.  The founders were terrified by majorities, and so am I.</p>
<p>The confirmation process should be personal because I want to know what I&#8217;m getting.  Once they&#8217;re in it is almost impossible to get rid of them.</p>
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		<title>By: dmac</title>
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		<dc:creator>dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There’s no point in having parties if the majority can just ram things through all day long...&quot; 

If you look carefully, that&#039;s what a majority party is supposed to be doing. Democracy is not a classroom exercise, and the country is not effectively governed by pluralities. 

If the Dems don&#039;t like it, for goodness sake, they need to start finding electable candidates and getting majorities in the House and Senate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There’s no point in having parties if the majority can just ram things through all day long&#8230;&#8221; </p>
<p>If you look carefully, that&#8217;s what a majority party is supposed to be doing. Democracy is not a classroom exercise, and the country is not effectively governed by pluralities. </p>
<p>If the Dems don&#8217;t like it, for goodness sake, they need to start finding electable candidates and getting majorities in the House and Senate.</p>
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