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		<title>By: Owen</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/01/29/a-question-for-hamas-2/comment-page-1/#comment-11846</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a strong bargaining point for the U.S., as well. We can definitely insist that they govern; I think that the renewal of aid should be contingent upon their response to the responsibility of government (especially since members of their leadership have hinted at dealing with Israel through third parties). We should focus on whether or not they are being just within their country and maintaining the cease-fire that they&#039;ve maintained for the past year, I think.

I was reading a Post article that pointed out something I hadn&#039;t realized: because Israel is the occupying country, according to international law they are required to provide for the Palestinians. This is another reason they&#039;ve had a vested interest in the success of the Palestinian Authority; if the PA fails to take care of their people, then Israel will be required to do it. It&#039;s an interesting situation (and does a lot to explain Sharon&#039;s take on unilateralism). I think the fact that the interim prime minister recognizes that the creation of a Palestinian state will necessitate a partial pullout from the West Bank makes it more interesting. The strategy is clearly to give the Palestinians enough to make their country their own responsibility, then use the pressure of the electorate to forcibly moderate the government: the &quot;pothole&quot; theory. There&#039;s an interesting article on Slate about the precedents of this approach right now.

The logical counter-argument would be that in Iran, the maintenance of the state didn&#039;t do a lot to moderate that Islamist movement, but I think that Iran is more a testament to how dangerous it is to deny the vote for such a long period of time; I think that putting in the &quot;safe&quot; government of the Shah did a lot more to promote extremism than letting the people vote would have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a strong bargaining point for the U.S., as well. We can definitely insist that they govern; I think that the renewal of aid should be contingent upon their response to the responsibility of government (especially since members of their leadership have hinted at dealing with Israel through third parties). We should focus on whether or not they are being just within their country and maintaining the cease-fire that they&#8217;ve maintained for the past year, I think.</p>
<p>I was reading a Post article that pointed out something I hadn&#8217;t realized: because Israel is the occupying country, according to international law they are required to provide for the Palestinians. This is another reason they&#8217;ve had a vested interest in the success of the Palestinian Authority; if the PA fails to take care of their people, then Israel will be required to do it. It&#8217;s an interesting situation (and does a lot to explain Sharon&#8217;s take on unilateralism). I think the fact that the interim prime minister recognizes that the creation of a Palestinian state will necessitate a partial pullout from the West Bank makes it more interesting. The strategy is clearly to give the Palestinians enough to make their country their own responsibility, then use the pressure of the electorate to forcibly moderate the government: the &#8220;pothole&#8221; theory. There&#8217;s an interesting article on Slate about the precedents of this approach right now.</p>
<p>The logical counter-argument would be that in Iran, the maintenance of the state didn&#8217;t do a lot to moderate that Islamist movement, but I think that Iran is more a testament to how dangerous it is to deny the vote for such a long period of time; I think that putting in the &#8220;safe&#8221; government of the Shah did a lot more to promote extremism than letting the people vote would have.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/01/29/a-question-for-hamas-2/comment-page-1/#comment-11832</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2006 04:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An interesting point: Hamas is counting on the US to continue aid, saying we can&#039;t very well turn our back on a democratic result...it&#039;s definitely their strongest card at the moment...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting point: Hamas is counting on the US to continue aid, saying we can&#8217;t very well turn our back on a democratic result&#8230;it&#8217;s definitely their strongest card at the moment&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Owen</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/01/29/a-question-for-hamas-2/comment-page-1/#comment-11831</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2006 04:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t speak for anyone else, but I would respond the way I had, by pointing to the thin hope, based the comments of certain members of the Hamas leadership, that they might in fact consider changing their charter, or at least changing their mission to work more towards a reinstatement of the 1967 boundaries and a long-standing truce. (For more on the ad hominem charge, Mussolini, see the older thread).

I would also point out that the use of apologist as an epithet and declaring the reasoning of your opponent to be &quot;cliche&quot; both represent ad hominems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t speak for anyone else, but I would respond the way I had, by pointing to the thin hope, based the comments of certain members of the Hamas leadership, that they might in fact consider changing their charter, or at least changing their mission to work more towards a reinstatement of the 1967 boundaries and a long-standing truce. (For more on the ad hominem charge, Mussolini, see the older thread).</p>
<p>I would also point out that the use of apologist as an epithet and declaring the reasoning of your opponent to be &#8220;cliche&#8221; both represent ad hominems.</p>
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		<title>By: Clint</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2006 23:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, exactly the same thing could have been (and was) said of the P.L.O.

Of course, negotiating with the P.L.O. got Israel the Intifada.

Of course, that just resulted in the building of the wall, which dramatically reduced the threat of Palestinian suicide bombers.

Of course...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, exactly the same thing could have been (and was) said of the P.L.O.</p>
<p>Of course, negotiating with the P.L.O. got Israel the Intifada.</p>
<p>Of course, that just resulted in the building of the wall, which dramatically reduced the threat of Palestinian suicide bombers.</p>
<p>Of course&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mussolini</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/01/29/a-question-for-hamas-2/comment-page-1/#comment-11794</link>
		<dc:creator>Mussolini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2006 16:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course they still abide by their charter, since they said nothing has changed and the elimination of Israel is still their priority.

I wonder how the apologists will spin this one? Oh, that&#039;s right - they won&#039;t. They&#039;ll just launch the cliche ad hominem attacks to divert attention away from the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course they still abide by their charter, since they said nothing has changed and the elimination of Israel is still their priority.</p>
<p>I wonder how the apologists will spin this one? Oh, that&#8217;s right &#8211; they won&#8217;t. They&#8217;ll just launch the cliche ad hominem attacks to divert attention away from the truth.</p>
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