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		<title>By: Decision &#8216;08 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Most Idiotic Opinion Piece of 2007&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/02/17/the-stupidest-column-of-the-year/comment-page-1/#comment-188001</link>
		<dc:creator>Decision &#8216;08 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Most Idiotic Opinion Piece of 2007&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 21:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8230;has already been written.  No one else can come close; like Richard Cohen&#8217;s anti-algebra screed of 2006 (also written quite early in the year), it is so utterly insipid that it&#8217;s doubtful any other op-ed will come within a country mile.  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8230;has already been written.  No one else can come close; like Richard Cohen&#8217;s anti-algebra screed of 2006 (also written quite early in the year), it is so utterly insipid that it&#8217;s doubtful any other op-ed will come within a country mile.  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Decision &#8216;08 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Cohen - Again - Surprises</title>
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		<dc:creator>Decision &#8216;08 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Cohen - Again - Surprises</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 04:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I don&#8217;t know what in blue blazes Richard Cohen has been drinking, but give me some of that!  There was a time when I couldn&#8217;t read his columns without cringing - and that&#8217;s not even mentioning the infamous anti-algebra tirade - but lately I find myself in awe of how much sense he&#8217;s making.  From his latest: For many who supported going to war in Iraq, the nature of the regime was important, even paramount. It is disappointing that this no longer gets mentioned. I suppose the handwriting was on the wall when Michael Moore failed to mention Saddam&#8217;s crimes at all in his movie &#8220;Fahrenheit 9/11.&#039;&#8217; Years from now, someone coming across the film could conclude that the U.S. picked on the Middle Eastern version of Switzerland. Now, all the weight is on one side of the moral scale. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I don&#8217;t know what in blue blazes Richard Cohen has been drinking, but give me some of that!  There was a time when I couldn&#8217;t read his columns without cringing &#8211; and that&#8217;s not even mentioning the infamous anti-algebra tirade - but lately I find myself in awe of how much sense he&#8217;s making.  From his latest: For many who supported going to war in Iraq, the nature of the regime was important, even paramount. It is disappointing that this no longer gets mentioned. I suppose the handwriting was on the wall when Michael Moore failed to mention Saddam&#8217;s crimes at all in his movie &#8220;Fahrenheit 9/11.&#8217;&#8217; Years from now, someone coming across the film could conclude that the U.S. picked on the Middle Eastern version of Switzerland. Now, all the weight is on one side of the moral scale. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Decision &#8216;08 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Can It Be? I Praise Cohen - And My Tongue&#8217;s Not In Check</title>
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		<dc:creator>Decision &#8216;08 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Can It Be? I Praise Cohen - And My Tongue&#8217;s Not In Check</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 May 2006 15:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Decision &#8216;08 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Richard Cohen, Grade-A Twit</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/02/17/the-stupidest-column-of-the-year/comment-page-1/#comment-15046</link>
		<dc:creator>Decision &#8216;08 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Richard Cohen, Grade-A Twit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2006 01:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Decision &#8216;08 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How&#8217;s That NEA Working Out?</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/02/17/the-stupidest-column-of-the-year/comment-page-1/#comment-13507</link>
		<dc:creator>Decision &#8216;08 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How&#8217;s That NEA Working Out?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 01:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I&#8217;ve said it before and I&#8217;ll say it again - the NEA is the biggest single obstacle to quality education in the United States. By relentlessly opposing any measures that would guarantee accountability and quality instruction (vouchers, school choice, teacher testing, etc.), the teacher&#8217;s union does immense harm to the future of our nation. We&#8217;ve seen the lowered standards at work in the whining from some quarters about algebra as a requirement for a high school diploma - now we see it in the absolutely shameful fact that only 1 in 4 Americans knows what the First Amendment is. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I&#8217;ve said it before and I&#8217;ll say it again &#8211; the NEA is the biggest single obstacle to quality education in the United States. By relentlessly opposing any measures that would guarantee accountability and quality instruction (vouchers, school choice, teacher testing, etc.), the teacher&#8217;s union does immense harm to the future of our nation. We&#8217;ve seen the lowered standards at work in the whining from some quarters about algebra as a requirement for a high school diploma &#8211; now we see it in the absolutely shameful fact that only 1 in 4 Americans knows what the First Amendment is. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my job, I only use less 10% of what I have learned from uni or high school. 90% of the work I have to learn by experience or self-study. But what I learned from uni subjects is the methodology and approach to solve real-life problems.

Algebra is required to study calculus and many other subject. Algebra is good example to abstract your ideas, to synthesize and to get a conclusion from observations.

If Mr.Cohen hasn&#039;t used algebra at all in his life, that&#039;s perfectly fine. But the way Mr.Cohen said &quot;Algebra is no good&quot; is to synthesize information or to get conclusion from Mr.Cohen observations in his life, which is exactly the core purpose of school algebra lessons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my job, I only use less 10% of what I have learned from uni or high school. 90% of the work I have to learn by experience or self-study. But what I learned from uni subjects is the methodology and approach to solve real-life problems.</p>
<p>Algebra is required to study calculus and many other subject. Algebra is good example to abstract your ideas, to synthesize and to get a conclusion from observations.</p>
<p>If Mr.Cohen hasn&#8217;t used algebra at all in his life, that&#8217;s perfectly fine. But the way Mr.Cohen said &#8220;Algebra is no good&#8221; is to synthesize information or to get conclusion from Mr.Cohen observations in his life, which is exactly the core purpose of school algebra lessons.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob, thanks for the discussion - of course, you&#039;re in the battleground itself, so your points are much appreciated...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob, thanks for the discussion &#8211; of course, you&#8217;re in the battleground itself, so your points are much appreciated&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have some concerns with this column and some of the replies.  (For full disclosure, I am a high school math teacher.)

1. What, as a nation, would we like to assume people know if they have a high school diploma?  (As a business owner, what would you want to assume from an applicant with a high school diploma?)  Personally, I would hope that a student could read, write, and communicate in a basic way.  I separate communicate because some students can read words and have no idea what they mean.  A similar argument could be made for writing.

I would also hope that students have some basic numeracy - most of which is covered before Algebra but reviewed in an Algebra 1 course.  (Which is more $5 or $50?  If you get paid $9.50 an hour, how many hours will you have to work to pay for rent, food, transportation, and taxes?)

Not all topics presented in an Algebra course will come up later in life.  (Except in higher level math courses I have had to take, I have not factored a polynomial in my life.)  However, I do believe working with factoring and other, more subtle, techniques in Algbera I have obtained a deeper understanding of the original Algebra.  (Do I have proof, no.)

2. What can we do in order to reach the students who are slipping through the cracks?  The students who are reaching high school with a very socially accepted hatred of decimals and fractions?  (I use decimals a lot in life - working with change is working with some basic decimals.)  Not all students need to be Algebra pros, but I rarely believe a 15 year-old is capable of making a decision to cut off future careers due to one course.  If I had been given that ability I would never have taken the required four years of math at my high school.  (private, yes.)  

3. How can we connect students who have not been able to succeed in a traditional setting with the skills they might need to complete job training or job requirements after school?  Someone commented on this particular girl, I believe, going to a vocational training program which was discussed in the original LA Times article.  Something said rings true - she probably will not cut over 60% of those classes and will probably learn some of the Algebra and reading skills she will need in that job.  How should schools be preparing students for these alternative tracks?

Just some thoughts.

Rob I.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have some concerns with this column and some of the replies.  (For full disclosure, I am a high school math teacher.)</p>
<p>1. What, as a nation, would we like to assume people know if they have a high school diploma?  (As a business owner, what would you want to assume from an applicant with a high school diploma?)  Personally, I would hope that a student could read, write, and communicate in a basic way.  I separate communicate because some students can read words and have no idea what they mean.  A similar argument could be made for writing.</p>
<p>I would also hope that students have some basic numeracy &#8211; most of which is covered before Algebra but reviewed in an Algebra 1 course.  (Which is more $5 or $50?  If you get paid $9.50 an hour, how many hours will you have to work to pay for rent, food, transportation, and taxes?)</p>
<p>Not all topics presented in an Algebra course will come up later in life.  (Except in higher level math courses I have had to take, I have not factored a polynomial in my life.)  However, I do believe working with factoring and other, more subtle, techniques in Algbera I have obtained a deeper understanding of the original Algebra.  (Do I have proof, no.)</p>
<p>2. What can we do in order to reach the students who are slipping through the cracks?  The students who are reaching high school with a very socially accepted hatred of decimals and fractions?  (I use decimals a lot in life &#8211; working with change is working with some basic decimals.)  Not all students need to be Algebra pros, but I rarely believe a 15 year-old is capable of making a decision to cut off future careers due to one course.  If I had been given that ability I would never have taken the required four years of math at my high school.  (private, yes.)  </p>
<p>3. How can we connect students who have not been able to succeed in a traditional setting with the skills they might need to complete job training or job requirements after school?  Someone commented on this particular girl, I believe, going to a vocational training program which was discussed in the original LA Times article.  Something said rings true &#8211; she probably will not cut over 60% of those classes and will probably learn some of the Algebra and reading skills she will need in that job.  How should schools be preparing students for these alternative tracks?</p>
<p>Just some thoughts.</p>
<p>Rob I.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If algebra is a requirement, she just has to do it, no matter how hard.

But don&#039;t kid yourself, at least 90% of people have no need whatsover for algebra once they get out of school.  For certain fields and occupations, of course it is necessary but not for most, who only need the math skills learned in elementary school.  Algebra is no more the path to &quot;intellectual enlightment&quot; than many other types of learning. It only seems so to those who are good at it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If algebra is a requirement, she just has to do it, no matter how hard.</p>
<p>But don&#8217;t kid yourself, at least 90% of people have no need whatsover for algebra once they get out of school.  For certain fields and occupations, of course it is necessary but not for most, who only need the math skills learned in elementary school.  Algebra is no more the path to &#8220;intellectual enlightment&#8221; than many other types of learning. It only seems so to those who are good at it.</p>
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		<title>By: Clint</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2006 22:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leonidas-

If only you&#039;d taken some proper math courses, you wouldn&#039;t have to make such a fool of yourself.  You&#039;ve failed to understand the very simple logic in a very simple statement.

I&#039;d try to explain it to you (as others have) -- but you&#039;ve already stridently insisted that you don&#039;t see any need to understand such useless abstractions.

Thank you for illustrating the point so clearly.</description>
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<p>If only you&#8217;d taken some proper math courses, you wouldn&#8217;t have to make such a fool of yourself.  You&#8217;ve failed to understand the very simple logic in a very simple statement.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d try to explain it to you (as others have) &#8212; but you&#8217;ve already stridently insisted that you don&#8217;t see any need to understand such useless abstractions.</p>
<p>Thank you for illustrating the point so clearly.</p>
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