Comments on: Two Slams on the NSA Program From Opposite Poles http://informedspeculation.com/2006/02/17/two-slams-on-the-nsa-program-from-opposite-poles/ Refunds Cheerfully Given To All Who Disagree Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:29:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Constant http://informedspeculation.com/2006/02/17/two-slams-on-the-nsa-program-from-opposite-poles/comment-page-1/#comment-12962 Constant Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:35:34 +0000 http://decision08.net/2006/02/17/two-slams-on-the-nsa-program-from-opposite-poles/#comment-12962 There's no reason to wait until 08, or the November election -- There's a way to compel Congress to investigate, even if they refuse: [ <a href="http://www.thenextleft.com/blogatory/archives/2006/02/force_congress.html" rel="nofollow">Click</a> ] There’s no reason to wait until 08, or the November election — There’s a way to compel Congress to investigate, even if they refuse: [ Click ]

]]> By: peter http://informedspeculation.com/2006/02/17/two-slams-on-the-nsa-program-from-opposite-poles/comment-page-1/#comment-12942 peter Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:46:36 +0000 http://decision08.net/2006/02/17/two-slams-on-the-nsa-program-from-opposite-poles/#comment-12942 OK, just read your excerpt, haven't gotten to the paper yet today -- OK, just read your excerpt, haven’t gotten to the paper yet today –

]]> By: Mark http://informedspeculation.com/2006/02/17/two-slams-on-the-nsa-program-from-opposite-poles/comment-page-1/#comment-12940 Mark Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:26:15 +0000 http://decision08.net/2006/02/17/two-slams-on-the-nsa-program-from-opposite-poles/#comment-12940 Then they've got me...I've been to the Al Jazeera website on numerous occasions (of course, the English version is seldom updated - for some odd reason they don't translate all of their stories! Can't imagine why that is)... peter, not so...here's how the Time's editorial ends: "FISA does not in any way prevent Mr. Bush from spying on Qaeda members or other terrorists. The last thing the nation needs is to amend the law to institutionalize the imperial powers Mr. Bush seized after 9/11." Yes, they slam Roberts...they're also slamming Bush's program... Then they’ve got me…I’ve been to the Al Jazeera website on numerous occasions (of course, the English version is seldom updated – for some odd reason they don’t translate all of their stories! Can’t imagine why that is)…

peter, not so…here’s how the Time’s editorial ends: “FISA does not in any way prevent Mr. Bush from spying on Qaeda members or other terrorists. The last thing the nation needs is to amend the law to institutionalize the imperial powers Mr. Bush seized after 9/11.”

Yes, they slam Roberts…they’re also slamming Bush’s program…

]]> By: Jacques Distler http://informedspeculation.com/2006/02/17/two-slams-on-the-nsa-program-from-opposite-poles/comment-page-1/#comment-12939 Jacques Distler Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:23:00 +0000 http://decision08.net/2006/02/17/two-slams-on-the-nsa-program-from-opposite-poles/#comment-12939 If you are talking about <em>domestic</em> internet traffic, then yes, it's hard to monitor because there are so many possible paths between 'point A' and 'point B'. If you are talking about Internet traffic between the US and Europe or between Europe and Asia (say), then I disagree. There are maybe a dozen or so backbone routers (all on US soil) you would need to monitor to capture essentially all such traffic. Rest assured that the NSA is doing <em>precisely</em> that. (And has been doing so for many years.) If you've ever visited the Al Jazeera web site, they certainly know about you. If you are talking about domestic internet traffic, then yes, it’s hard to monitor because there are so many possible paths between ‘point A’ and ‘point B’. If you are talking about Internet traffic between the US and Europe or between Europe and Asia (say), then I disagree.

There are maybe a dozen or so backbone routers (all on US soil) you would need to monitor to capture essentially all such traffic.

Rest assured that the NSA is doing precisely that. (And has been doing so for many years.) If you’ve ever visited the Al Jazeera web site, they certainly know about you.

]]> By: peter http://informedspeculation.com/2006/02/17/two-slams-on-the-nsa-program-from-opposite-poles/comment-page-1/#comment-12938 peter Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:18:25 +0000 http://decision08.net/2006/02/17/two-slams-on-the-nsa-program-from-opposite-poles/#comment-12938 The Times excerpt isn't a slam on the NSA program -- it's a slam at Pat Roberts for stone-walling and impeding Congressional oversight of the faulty Iraq intelligence as well as the FISA violations -- The Times excerpt isn’t a slam on the NSA program — it’s a slam at Pat Roberts for stone-walling and impeding Congressional oversight of the faulty Iraq intelligence as well as the FISA violations –

]]> By: dmac http://informedspeculation.com/2006/02/17/two-slams-on-the-nsa-program-from-opposite-poles/comment-page-1/#comment-12936 dmac Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:13:24 +0000 http://decision08.net/2006/02/17/two-slams-on-the-nsa-program-from-opposite-poles/#comment-12936 As per usual, I will not comment on a subject in which I'm not well - versed on. However, has anyone been discussing the fact that it's almost impossible to eavesdrop on internet calls, as least as they're currently constructed? I'm not a techno - geek, but current models don't seem to permit this - is there any reason the terrorists cannot go to this medium (or perhaps already have) in order to communicate effectively, without fear of oversight? As per usual, I will not comment on a subject in which I’m not well – versed on. However, has anyone been discussing the fact that it’s almost impossible to eavesdrop on internet calls, as least as they’re currently constructed? I’m not a techno – geek, but current models don’t seem to permit this – is there any reason the terrorists cannot go to this medium (or perhaps already have) in order to communicate effectively, without fear of oversight?

]]> By: Mark http://informedspeculation.com/2006/02/17/two-slams-on-the-nsa-program-from-opposite-poles/comment-page-1/#comment-12935 Mark Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:19:16 +0000 http://decision08.net/2006/02/17/two-slams-on-the-nsa-program-from-opposite-poles/#comment-12935 Duly noted...I'm putting in a small update.... Duly noted…I’m putting in a small update….

]]> By: Jacques Distler http://informedspeculation.com/2006/02/17/two-slams-on-the-nsa-program-from-opposite-poles/comment-page-1/#comment-12934 Jacques Distler Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:11:20 +0000 http://decision08.net/2006/02/17/two-slams-on-the-nsa-program-from-opposite-poles/#comment-12934 Captain Ed is factually wrong about FISA and "peacetime." See <a href="http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2006/02/erasing-cold-war-from-history.html" rel="nofollow">Glenn Greenwald</a>. Captain Ed is factually wrong about FISA and “peacetime.” See Glenn Greenwald.

]]> By: too many steves http://informedspeculation.com/2006/02/17/two-slams-on-the-nsa-program-from-opposite-poles/comment-page-1/#comment-12932 too many steves Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:20:18 +0000 http://decision08.net/2006/02/17/two-slams-on-the-nsa-program-from-opposite-poles/#comment-12932 The way I heard it, Roberts really said: "I'm rubber and you're glue...". The problem I have with the currently tracking approach is that it avoids answering the question of which branch wins in this conflict of Legislative versus Executive power. But, be that as it may, Roberts is pursuing a political solution to a political problem. I'm not sure why the NYT would object to that - unless, of course, they have some investment in seeing GWB lose. The way I heard it, Roberts really said: “I’m rubber and you’re glue…”.

The problem I have with the currently tracking approach is that it avoids answering the question of which branch wins in this conflict of Legislative versus Executive power.

But, be that as it may, Roberts is pursuing a political solution to a political problem. I’m not sure why the NYT would object to that – unless, of course, they have some investment in seeing GWB lose.

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