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		<title>By: dmac</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/02/24/maguire-parts-the-curtain/comment-page-1/#comment-13281</link>
		<dc:creator>dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;However, I think their editorial pages are shrill and intellectually lazy, as they repeatedly comb over the bald spots in their arguments...&quot;

Perhaps sometimes they are guilty of such, but no paper has received the kind of widespread scorn and derision that the NYT&#039;s stable of braying donkeys has over the past few years. As we&#039;ve previously discussed, Daniel Orkent has made many unrefutable charges of blatant fact manipulation and outright falsehoods printed in MoDo&#039;s, Rich&#039;s and Kruggie&#039;s columns - no one has effectively challenged the WSJ&#039;s editorials in the same context. You may not agree with their opinions, but you cannot challenge them on the facts they cite that form the basis of their underpinnings. This is the critical difference between the two news outlets - transparency is obvious in the WSJ, while obsfucation is part and parcel of the NYT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;However, I think their editorial pages are shrill and intellectually lazy, as they repeatedly comb over the bald spots in their arguments&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps sometimes they are guilty of such, but no paper has received the kind of widespread scorn and derision that the NYT&#8217;s stable of braying donkeys has over the past few years. As we&#8217;ve previously discussed, Daniel Orkent has made many unrefutable charges of blatant fact manipulation and outright falsehoods printed in MoDo&#8217;s, Rich&#8217;s and Kruggie&#8217;s columns &#8211; no one has effectively challenged the WSJ&#8217;s editorials in the same context. You may not agree with their opinions, but you cannot challenge them on the facts they cite that form the basis of their underpinnings. This is the critical difference between the two news outlets &#8211; transparency is obvious in the WSJ, while obsfucation is part and parcel of the NYT.</p>
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		<title>By: megapotamus</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/02/24/maguire-parts-the-curtain/comment-page-1/#comment-13250</link>
		<dc:creator>megapotamus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Times, at least at this point in our history, cannot be ignored. It is a political and cultural activist institution with a vast power to shape opinion, for good or ill. Me and like-folks think for ill for the most part, especially on the economic/political front. When the &quot;defense&quot; by your interlocutors of their bilious positions consists of a shrill anouncement &quot;I read the New York Times! Every day!&quot;, well, responsible citizenship requires at least a weather eye on same. If it&#039;s good for a larf, so much the better. Again, if you want to know what a left-leaning but fundamentally fair paper might look like, voila, The Washington Post. A tendentious, ignorant socialist rag? NYT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Times, at least at this point in our history, cannot be ignored. It is a political and cultural activist institution with a vast power to shape opinion, for good or ill. Me and like-folks think for ill for the most part, especially on the economic/political front. When the &#8220;defense&#8221; by your interlocutors of their bilious positions consists of a shrill anouncement &#8220;I read the New York Times! Every day!&#8221;, well, responsible citizenship requires at least a weather eye on same. If it&#8217;s good for a larf, so much the better. Again, if you want to know what a left-leaning but fundamentally fair paper might look like, voila, The Washington Post. A tendentious, ignorant socialist rag? NYT.</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/02/24/maguire-parts-the-curtain/comment-page-1/#comment-13249</link>
		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I’m glad to see that you apparently think highly of the Times’s reporting.  If there is an American newspaper with better reporting, I’m eager to know what it is.  (Although I think the LA Times comes close in breadth and quality).

I find the WSJ reporting to be have the same quality of reporting as the Times, although of course the Journal’s mission is not to have comprehensive news coverage (outside the world of business).  However, I think their editorial pages are shrill and intellectually lazy, as they repeatedly comb over the bald spots in their arguments with ad hominem attacks.  Also, since Al Hunt left the paper, there is no diversity of opinion – it’s all hard right.  But, as they say, that’s what makes a stock market…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I’m glad to see that you apparently think highly of the Times’s reporting.  If there is an American newspaper with better reporting, I’m eager to know what it is.  (Although I think the LA Times comes close in breadth and quality).</p>
<p>I find the WSJ reporting to be have the same quality of reporting as the Times, although of course the Journal’s mission is not to have comprehensive news coverage (outside the world of business).  However, I think their editorial pages are shrill and intellectually lazy, as they repeatedly comb over the bald spots in their arguments with ad hominem attacks.  Also, since Al Hunt left the paper, there is no diversity of opinion – it’s all hard right.  But, as they say, that’s what makes a stock market…</p>
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		<title>By: mtl</title>
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		<dc:creator>mtl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An unfair comparison...

The NYT is still an astounding paper in other areas.  The issue is that their domestic political coverage is overshadowing the rest of the paper.  In part it would seem that politcal division is squandering the crediblity of all other divisions.

I&#039;d rather read USA Today&#039;s editorial section.  IT is far closer to mainstream America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An unfair comparison&#8230;</p>
<p>The NYT is still an astounding paper in other areas.  The issue is that their domestic political coverage is overshadowing the rest of the paper.  In part it would seem that politcal division is squandering the crediblity of all other divisions.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d rather read USA Today&#8217;s editorial section.  IT is far closer to mainstream America.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/02/24/maguire-parts-the-curtain/comment-page-1/#comment-13246</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Without hesitation, the Washington Post and the Wall Street Journal - in their editorial capacities - note that I&#039;m usually very careful about not denigrating the straight reporting...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without hesitation, the Washington Post and the Wall Street Journal &#8211; in their editorial capacities &#8211; note that I&#8217;m usually very careful about not denigrating the straight reporting&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/02/24/maguire-parts-the-curtain/comment-page-1/#comment-13245</link>
		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2006 21:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In your opinion, which American newspapers are better than the New York Times?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In your opinion, which American newspapers are better than the New York Times?</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2006 21:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Strategypage is run by James Dunnigan. He is simply the best. I&#039;ve meet him a few times at various conventions and have been reading his material for 30 years. He is always worth listening too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strategypage is run by James Dunnigan. He is simply the best. I&#8217;ve meet him a few times at various conventions and have been reading his material for 30 years. He is always worth listening too.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2006 21:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very, very interesting...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very, very interesting&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: dmac</title>
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		<dc:creator>dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2006 21:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allah Akbar! Indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allah Akbar! Indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: dmac</title>
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		<dc:creator>dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MoDo is always good for a laugh, how can you not appreciate the gift that keeps on giving? 

Not to change the subject here, Mark, but awhile back we discussed the underreported US naval movements in the Indian ocean and surrounding environs. We discussed whether these movements may have presaged an attack on Iran - well, check out this little primer: 

http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/topten/articles/20060222.aspx

Uh, oh...looks like things are ramping up here exponentially.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MoDo is always good for a laugh, how can you not appreciate the gift that keeps on giving? </p>
<p>Not to change the subject here, Mark, but awhile back we discussed the underreported US naval movements in the Indian ocean and surrounding environs. We discussed whether these movements may have presaged an attack on Iran &#8211; well, check out this little primer: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/topten/articles/20060222.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/topten/articles/20060222.aspx</a></p>
<p>Uh, oh&#8230;looks like things are ramping up here exponentially.</p>
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