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		<title>By: docweasel</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/02/24/the-ugliest-post-ive-seen-in-quite-some-time/comment-page-1/#comment-13304</link>
		<dc:creator>docweasel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2006 05:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I moniter firedoglake and the Hamster almost daily because its heartening to see recorded and transcribed, daily, the kind of over-the-top hysteria, that when exposed to the general American public as these loud and loony lefties take control of the Dem party and its message completely, should keep the Dems out of power forever, regardless of how badly the Republicans screw up. 

Hamster represents the Kos/Moveon &#039;netroots&#039; scortched bullying at its worst. Their childish rants, full of 3rd grade level insults and gratuitous us of profanity (really, you have to read her stuff daily to get full appreciation- its like a 3rd grader relishing the taste of the word &quot;fu**&quot; and using it at every opportunity to get a thrill- Jane uses it to and other scatological and genitalia-related profanity to drive home the full weight of her pithy wit and wisdom) come off as insane diatribes- you can almost see the spittle on the moniter, its so rabid.

Her stated aim, and one she hews to daily, is to destroy the Republican &#039;brand&#039; the way she claims the Republicans have destroyed the Dems; painting them as high-spending, America-hating, gun-confiscating, gay-loving, religion-hating socialists, which of course is unfair. However painting Jane and her ilk with this brush is very accurate, actually. She (and Kos and MyDD and Ameriblog and others) daily post blaring any negative story they think can damage the Republicans the same way, and in the most hysterical, rabid, profanity laced manner possible. If a minister loses his congregation for adultery, this &#039;news&#039; story is trumpeted as &quot;bobo&#039;s world&quot; and evidence of the empty morality of any Republican. This is just an example, you have to read their sites daily for a mulititude of examples. 

The problem is, firedoglake is so wack that only a true believer would read it, so the Hamster-girl is never going to damage the Republican brand by being such a wack-job that only true believers, who hate the Reps anyway, are going to read her, let alone give her any credence. Glenn Reynolds has the power to actually turn an ambivalent centrist/independant voter (are there any left?) around with reasonable, sane and sober argument. Jane the Hamster only has the power to further damage the &quot;brand&quot; she&#039;s defending. No one is going to take her seriously.

The root problem among leftblahgerz is a major penis envy over Rathergate &amp; Easongate. They want their own so they hype every teensy tiny &#039;scandal&#039; hoping for a victory like Powerline&#039;s (god they hate powerline) to validate themselves. Their latest rants involve Tim Russert and Chris Matthews. But they constantly misfire because they over-reach on trivial episodes, and they also give the term &quot;beating a dead horse&quot; new meaning. They flog a losing issue for weeks and weeks, long after its obvious they are getting zero resonance, and that the issue was never worth hyping to begin with. Anyone remember Jeff Gannon? No? This &quot;scandal&quot; dominated all the top lefty blogs for several MONTHS. It was never a major story. It had no potential to damage the Bush admin, or further the lefty cause. It was hyped because of the gay angle, plus the liberal paranoia that the right is actually making inroads into one of their last bastions, the MSM. I truly believe a lot of hard lefty blogs kept harping on it because it was easy prey for the kind of brutal, bigotted, juvenile cheap-shot  gutter humor Jane the Hamster excels in producing. Get plenty of anal sex jokes in there.

Anyone who hopes to see the Dem agenda fail should thank Goddess, or whoever, for people like the Hamster. Sometimes she is so inadvertantly damaging to her own cause I have to wonder if the fantastic rumors of Rove Control plants isn&#039;t true. You couldn&#039;t dream up a more negative voice for &#039;progressive&#039; causes and politics. She is definitely my fav daily laugh blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I moniter firedoglake and the Hamster almost daily because its heartening to see recorded and transcribed, daily, the kind of over-the-top hysteria, that when exposed to the general American public as these loud and loony lefties take control of the Dem party and its message completely, should keep the Dems out of power forever, regardless of how badly the Republicans screw up. </p>
<p>Hamster represents the Kos/Moveon &#8216;netroots&#8217; scortched bullying at its worst. Their childish rants, full of 3rd grade level insults and gratuitous us of profanity (really, you have to read her stuff daily to get full appreciation- its like a 3rd grader relishing the taste of the word &#8220;fu**&#8221; and using it at every opportunity to get a thrill- Jane uses it to and other scatological and genitalia-related profanity to drive home the full weight of her pithy wit and wisdom) come off as insane diatribes- you can almost see the spittle on the moniter, its so rabid.</p>
<p>Her stated aim, and one she hews to daily, is to destroy the Republican &#8216;brand&#8217; the way she claims the Republicans have destroyed the Dems; painting them as high-spending, America-hating, gun-confiscating, gay-loving, religion-hating socialists, which of course is unfair. However painting Jane and her ilk with this brush is very accurate, actually. She (and Kos and MyDD and Ameriblog and others) daily post blaring any negative story they think can damage the Republicans the same way, and in the most hysterical, rabid, profanity laced manner possible. If a minister loses his congregation for adultery, this &#8216;news&#8217; story is trumpeted as &#8220;bobo&#8217;s world&#8221; and evidence of the empty morality of any Republican. This is just an example, you have to read their sites daily for a mulititude of examples. </p>
<p>The problem is, firedoglake is so wack that only a true believer would read it, so the Hamster-girl is never going to damage the Republican brand by being such a wack-job that only true believers, who hate the Reps anyway, are going to read her, let alone give her any credence. Glenn Reynolds has the power to actually turn an ambivalent centrist/independant voter (are there any left?) around with reasonable, sane and sober argument. Jane the Hamster only has the power to further damage the &#8220;brand&#8221; she&#8217;s defending. No one is going to take her seriously.</p>
<p>The root problem among leftblahgerz is a major penis envy over Rathergate &amp; Easongate. They want their own so they hype every teensy tiny &#8216;scandal&#8217; hoping for a victory like Powerline&#8217;s (god they hate powerline) to validate themselves. Their latest rants involve Tim Russert and Chris Matthews. But they constantly misfire because they over-reach on trivial episodes, and they also give the term &#8220;beating a dead horse&#8221; new meaning. They flog a losing issue for weeks and weeks, long after its obvious they are getting zero resonance, and that the issue was never worth hyping to begin with. Anyone remember Jeff Gannon? No? This &#8220;scandal&#8221; dominated all the top lefty blogs for several MONTHS. It was never a major story. It had no potential to damage the Bush admin, or further the lefty cause. It was hyped because of the gay angle, plus the liberal paranoia that the right is actually making inroads into one of their last bastions, the MSM. I truly believe a lot of hard lefty blogs kept harping on it because it was easy prey for the kind of brutal, bigotted, juvenile cheap-shot  gutter humor Jane the Hamster excels in producing. Get plenty of anal sex jokes in there.</p>
<p>Anyone who hopes to see the Dem agenda fail should thank Goddess, or whoever, for people like the Hamster. Sometimes she is so inadvertantly damaging to her own cause I have to wonder if the fantastic rumors of Rove Control plants isn&#8217;t true. You couldn&#8217;t dream up a more negative voice for &#8216;progressive&#8217; causes and politics. She is definitely my fav daily laugh blog.</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/02/24/the-ugliest-post-ive-seen-in-quite-some-time/comment-page-1/#comment-13266</link>
		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2006 04:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I don&#039;t know anything about Jane Hamsher except for the excerpt above, but I would agree that -- like Randall Terry on the other side -- she probably does her cause much more harm than good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I don&#8217;t know anything about Jane Hamsher except for the excerpt above, but I would agree that &#8212; like Randall Terry on the other side &#8212; she probably does her cause much more harm than good.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/02/24/the-ugliest-post-ive-seen-in-quite-some-time/comment-page-1/#comment-13264</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2006 04:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to be clear, peter, unlike our good friend Muffin here, I&#039;m not arguing in this case whether abortion is or isn&#039;t an easy decision or whether it should be legal or not...I am quite certain that abortion is, in the majority of cases, a heartwrenching situation for the woman, and my position is stated elsewhere.  My point here is the unbelievably tone-deaf screeching from Jane Hamsher and other pro-choice advocates who continue to treat this issue as if it were the paramount concern of the Republic, and my belief that they, in fact, hurt their own cause because of it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to be clear, peter, unlike our good friend Muffin here, I&#8217;m not arguing in this case whether abortion is or isn&#8217;t an easy decision or whether it should be legal or not&#8230;I am quite certain that abortion is, in the majority of cases, a heartwrenching situation for the woman, and my position is stated elsewhere.  My point here is the unbelievably tone-deaf screeching from Jane Hamsher and other pro-choice advocates who continue to treat this issue as if it were the paramount concern of the Republic, and my belief that they, in fact, hurt their own cause because of it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Muffin the Cat</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/02/24/the-ugliest-post-ive-seen-in-quite-some-time/comment-page-1/#comment-13263</link>
		<dc:creator>Muffin the Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2006 04:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel that this issue is not 100% about abortion.  As much within our culture, it is also about power.  In my opinion, this issue especially impassions the far left women’s groups because 1) they feel it is very personal and 2) they feel no one should be dictating to or controlling women in any manner.  Allowing someone else to prevent them from controlling their lives in any manner amounts to nothing but submission and they feel that women have been held down for too long.   This is especially true if it is a man doing the perceived controlling.    

This is why women’s “rights” are at the pinnacle of the left’s “hierarchy of rights”.   Their drive to prevent anyone or any person/event from controlling women lives in any manner relegates that person/event to a lower level on their “hierarchy of rights”.  In this case, the person is an unborn child thus the child has no rights.  Women’s rights prevail over all other rights including parents.  Remember men can kill an unborn child and be charged with murder but women can not.  This shows how low men are on the left’s “hierarchy of rights”.  The far left women&#039;s groups are not about equality, they are after absolute power and abortion is one element of that power.  

Anyone who reads this site on a consistent manner knows I am vehemently opposed to abortion.  Nobody should have the ability to kill an unborn child.  Notice I did not use the &quot;right&quot; in that sentence.  Third trimester abortions are one of the most heinous acts in this culture and should be prevented.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel that this issue is not 100% about abortion.  As much within our culture, it is also about power.  In my opinion, this issue especially impassions the far left women’s groups because 1) they feel it is very personal and 2) they feel no one should be dictating to or controlling women in any manner.  Allowing someone else to prevent them from controlling their lives in any manner amounts to nothing but submission and they feel that women have been held down for too long.   This is especially true if it is a man doing the perceived controlling.    </p>
<p>This is why women’s “rights” are at the pinnacle of the left’s “hierarchy of rights”.   Their drive to prevent anyone or any person/event from controlling women lives in any manner relegates that person/event to a lower level on their “hierarchy of rights”.  In this case, the person is an unborn child thus the child has no rights.  Women’s rights prevail over all other rights including parents.  Remember men can kill an unborn child and be charged with murder but women can not.  This shows how low men are on the left’s “hierarchy of rights”.  The far left women&#8217;s groups are not about equality, they are after absolute power and abortion is one element of that power.  </p>
<p>Anyone who reads this site on a consistent manner knows I am vehemently opposed to abortion.  Nobody should have the ability to kill an unborn child.  Notice I did not use the &#8220;right&#8221; in that sentence.  Third trimester abortions are one of the most heinous acts in this culture and should be prevented.</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/02/24/the-ugliest-post-ive-seen-in-quite-some-time/comment-page-1/#comment-13262</link>
		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2006 03:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correct, you could ban third trimester abortions without harming the pro-choice movement.  However, that begs the question of whether you should ban them.

I don&#039;t buy into the assumption that most (or even many) women who get a third term abortion do so cavalierly or easily.  My suspicion is that the majority of the time, the abortion takes place late in the pregnancy because of health issues of the mother or the child.  My wife&#039;s amniocentesis was well into her second trimester -- if, for example, we learned that the child had spina bifida, we probably would have aborted the fetus.  Not much of a window until the first day of the third trimester to make that decision.  Anyone who claims to have the moral authority to insist that a mother carry a baby with a disease like spina bifida to term is unlikely to have faced that situation himself.

I believe that in a great number of instances, it is a gut-wrenching decision for the mother, and I believe that it should be the judgment of the mother, and not the state, which prevails.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correct, you could ban third trimester abortions without harming the pro-choice movement.  However, that begs the question of whether you should ban them.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t buy into the assumption that most (or even many) women who get a third term abortion do so cavalierly or easily.  My suspicion is that the majority of the time, the abortion takes place late in the pregnancy because of health issues of the mother or the child.  My wife&#8217;s amniocentesis was well into her second trimester &#8212; if, for example, we learned that the child had spina bifida, we probably would have aborted the fetus.  Not much of a window until the first day of the third trimester to make that decision.  Anyone who claims to have the moral authority to insist that a mother carry a baby with a disease like spina bifida to term is unlikely to have faced that situation himself.</p>
<p>I believe that in a great number of instances, it is a gut-wrenching decision for the mother, and I believe that it should be the judgment of the mother, and not the state, which prevails.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2006 01:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1 in 250, eh?  After a quick Google survey of stats, it look like roughly 1.3 million abortions are performed annually.  

That 1 in 250 equates to 5200 late term abortions.  I&#039;d have to consider myself pro-choice for 1st term abortions, but that 5200 is inexcusable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1 in 250, eh?  After a quick Google survey of stats, it look like roughly 1.3 million abortions are performed annually.  </p>
<p>That 1 in 250 equates to 5200 late term abortions.  I&#8217;d have to consider myself pro-choice for 1st term abortions, but that 5200 is inexcusable.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/02/24/the-ugliest-post-ive-seen-in-quite-some-time/comment-page-1/#comment-13259</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2006 00:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, since they&#039;re so uncommon, and so vastly unpopular with the electorate, then surely we can at least ban them without substantially harming the pro-choice movement, right?...after all, 249 out of 250 abortions could proceed as scheduled...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, since they&#8217;re so uncommon, and so vastly unpopular with the electorate, then surely we can at least ban them without substantially harming the pro-choice movement, right?&#8230;after all, 249 out of 250 abortions could proceed as scheduled&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/02/24/the-ugliest-post-ive-seen-in-quite-some-time/comment-page-1/#comment-13258</link>
		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2006 00:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True, but the rarity suggests that the issue is overblown -- given all of the attention which third trimester abortions has received, one would think that it is much more common than it actually is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True, but the rarity suggests that the issue is overblown &#8212; given all of the attention which third trimester abortions has received, one would think that it is much more common than it actually is.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/02/24/the-ugliest-post-ive-seen-in-quite-some-time/comment-page-1/#comment-13257</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2006 00:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What difference does it make if they&#039;re rare? If you&#039;re against third-trimester abortions, the fact that they&#039;re rare won&#039;t change your mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What difference does it make if they&#8217;re rare? If you&#8217;re against third-trimester abortions, the fact that they&#8217;re rare won&#8217;t change your mind.</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/02/24/the-ugliest-post-ive-seen-in-quite-some-time/comment-page-1/#comment-13256</link>
		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2006 00:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you are interested in hearing how third trimester abortions are very rare (less than 1 in 250 abortions) and the extensive judicial research which was ignored by the Bush administration&#039;s brief, you need go no further than today&#039;s issue of slate.com:

http://www.slate.com/id/2136719/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are interested in hearing how third trimester abortions are very rare (less than 1 in 250 abortions) and the extensive judicial research which was ignored by the Bush administration&#8217;s brief, you need go no further than today&#8217;s issue of slate.com:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2136719/" rel="nofollow">http://www.slate.com/id/2136719/</a></p>
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