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		<title>By: Con George-Kotzabasis</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/03/14/its-not-a-political-stunt/comment-page-1/#comment-14218</link>
		<dc:creator>Con George-Kotzabasis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Mar 2006 06:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Feingold is indeed a stout-hearted politician when he is prepared to have his stoush &quot;with...numbers so low&quot;.

One is reminded of the Roman general Fabius, who used caution and delay before he attacked an enemy. Likewise, it seems, Feingold was in wait of those low numbers before he unfurled his banner of principles for his censure motion.

As for voting against the Patriot Act, that was an outcome of egregious political naivety and blindness not to be able to perceive the great danger that America faced, and faces, from a lethal internal enemy.

Both his stand against the Patriot Act and his censure motion ( I agree with Mark&#039;s third reason) are the offspring of political innocence and have nothing to do with principles.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Feingold is indeed a stout-hearted politician when he is prepared to have his stoush &#8220;with&#8230;numbers so low&#8221;.</p>
<p>One is reminded of the Roman general Fabius, who used caution and delay before he attacked an enemy. Likewise, it seems, Feingold was in wait of those low numbers before he unfurled his banner of principles for his censure motion.</p>
<p>As for voting against the Patriot Act, that was an outcome of egregious political naivety and blindness not to be able to perceive the great danger that America faced, and faces, from a lethal internal enemy.</p>
<p>Both his stand against the Patriot Act and his censure motion ( I agree with Mark&#8217;s third reason) are the offspring of political innocence and have nothing to do with principles.</p>
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		<title>By: topsecretk9</title>
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		<dc:creator>topsecretk9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Mar 2006 04:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Well, you have to admit that a big factor in Republicans voting against Bush on other issues lately (and even Democrats) has to do with his unpopularity.&lt;/i&gt;

Yes, exactly right. That&#039;s is why so many Dem lawmakers tripped over themselves to support Feingold!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Well, you have to admit that a big factor in Republicans voting against Bush on other issues lately (and even Democrats) has to do with his unpopularity.</i></p>
<p>Yes, exactly right. That&#8217;s is why so many Dem lawmakers tripped over themselves to support Feingold!</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Mar 2006 02:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Invading a country on a false premise is a big deal.  It is a scandal both because of the way intelligence was cherry-picked to support a pre-determined solution and because faulty and obsolete intelligence was sold to the American public as the unvarnished truth.  When the VP says that &quot;quite simply, we know there are WMD in Iraq&quot; and there are not, that is a scanda.

Torturing prisoners is a scandal.  Prima facie.  The responsibility lies up the entire chain of command to Rumsfeld and Bush.

We do not know what happens at GITMO.  The administration will not let the UN or anyone else interview the prisoners alone.  It is a scandal when the President decides that he has the power to detain anyone, anywhere, and hold them indefinitely without charging them with anything.  Also prima facie.

It is not a scandal when the VP shoots his friend in a hunting accident.  The President and VP supposedly set the moral example for the country (as we were endlessly told during the Clinton impeachment).  It is a scandal when the example which is set is that a) you don&#039;t inform the authorities until twelve hours after the event, when any traces of alcohol can leave your system, b) you don&#039;t accompany your friend to the hospital after you shot him in the face, and c) you dispatch surrogates to suggest that it was really Whittington&#039;s fault that he was shot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Invading a country on a false premise is a big deal.  It is a scandal both because of the way intelligence was cherry-picked to support a pre-determined solution and because faulty and obsolete intelligence was sold to the American public as the unvarnished truth.  When the VP says that &#8220;quite simply, we know there are WMD in Iraq&#8221; and there are not, that is a scanda.</p>
<p>Torturing prisoners is a scandal.  Prima facie.  The responsibility lies up the entire chain of command to Rumsfeld and Bush.</p>
<p>We do not know what happens at GITMO.  The administration will not let the UN or anyone else interview the prisoners alone.  It is a scandal when the President decides that he has the power to detain anyone, anywhere, and hold them indefinitely without charging them with anything.  Also prima facie.</p>
<p>It is not a scandal when the VP shoots his friend in a hunting accident.  The President and VP supposedly set the moral example for the country (as we were endlessly told during the Clinton impeachment).  It is a scandal when the example which is set is that a) you don&#8217;t inform the authorities until twelve hours after the event, when any traces of alcohol can leave your system, b) you don&#8217;t accompany your friend to the hospital after you shot him in the face, and c) you dispatch surrogates to suggest that it was really Whittington&#8217;s fault that he was shot.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Mar 2006 02:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By &quot;invent&quot; I meant &quot;blow out of proportion.&quot; Not finding WMDs in Iraq is a prime example of this. It was not an administration scandal, but an illustration of the way intelligence gathering works. The Democrats turned it into a scandal because they&#039;d rather see America fail than see Bush succeed.

Abu Ghraib is another example of this. The Democrats tried to connect the abuse committed by a couple of low-ranking soldiers directly to the White House through the authorization of harsh interrogation tactics at GITMO.

They also blew GITMO out of proportion. The interrogation tactics are in no way terror; the harshest treatment the detainees has been done by the detainees themselves, who are intentionally trying to starve themselves to death. This &quot;scandal&quot; didn&#039;t really work out either as most Americans aren&#039;t bothered by the thought of scantily-clad women flirting with terrorists.

Vice-president Cheney&#039;s hunting accident is another example. The Democrats blew it out of proportion because most people didn&#039;t really mind their previous scandal, the wire-tapping of Al Qaeda suspects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By &#8220;invent&#8221; I meant &#8220;blow out of proportion.&#8221; Not finding WMDs in Iraq is a prime example of this. It was not an administration scandal, but an illustration of the way intelligence gathering works. The Democrats turned it into a scandal because they&#8217;d rather see America fail than see Bush succeed.</p>
<p>Abu Ghraib is another example of this. The Democrats tried to connect the abuse committed by a couple of low-ranking soldiers directly to the White House through the authorization of harsh interrogation tactics at GITMO.</p>
<p>They also blew GITMO out of proportion. The interrogation tactics are in no way terror; the harshest treatment the detainees has been done by the detainees themselves, who are intentionally trying to starve themselves to death. This &#8220;scandal&#8221; didn&#8217;t really work out either as most Americans aren&#8217;t bothered by the thought of scantily-clad women flirting with terrorists.</p>
<p>Vice-president Cheney&#8217;s hunting accident is another example. The Democrats blew it out of proportion because most people didn&#8217;t really mind their previous scandal, the wire-tapping of Al Qaeda suspects.</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Mar 2006 01:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark:  I never felt this way about Bush I or Reagan, both of whom I respect -- I call it as I see it, and in my opinion, Bush II and Cheney are off the charts awful.

At least we agree about Bruce Springsteen...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark:  I never felt this way about Bush I or Reagan, both of whom I respect &#8212; I call it as I see it, and in my opinion, Bush II and Cheney are off the charts awful.</p>
<p>At least we agree about Bruce Springsteen&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Mar 2006 01:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dmac:  I agree completely – the Democrats will have a more difficult time winning if they run as the anti-Bush party (although with things the way they are, the “throw the bums out” mentality might be enough to elect Pee Wee Herman to the Oval Office).  I don’t think that they necessarily have to run on ideology – a platform of returning competence to government might do the trick.  Fiscal responsibility, responsive government, a centrist foreign policy.

All of this will (hopefully) come in due time, when the party coalesces around a candidate.  Commentators were shocked when the Democrats more or less sang from the same song book in 2004.  In 2008, the Dems should carry Ohio and a whole lot more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dmac:  I agree completely – the Democrats will have a more difficult time winning if they run as the anti-Bush party (although with things the way they are, the “throw the bums out” mentality might be enough to elect Pee Wee Herman to the Oval Office).  I don’t think that they necessarily have to run on ideology – a platform of returning competence to government might do the trick.  Fiscal responsibility, responsive government, a centrist foreign policy.</p>
<p>All of this will (hopefully) come in due time, when the party coalesces around a candidate.  Commentators were shocked when the Democrats more or less sang from the same song book in 2004.  In 2008, the Dems should carry Ohio and a whole lot more.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Mar 2006 01:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, peter, but other than that, how do you feel about the President&#039;s performance?...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, peter, but other than that, how do you feel about the President&#8217;s performance?&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Mar 2006 01:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, there is a scandal every week because the Bush administration is feckless – the Democrats didn’t invent Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, the Libby indictment, the deficit, violating FISA, the mosque bombing, the failure to find WMD, the inability to confront Iran, the flaccid response to Katrina, the inability of Iraq to pump oil at pre-invasion levels, the inability to find Osama Bin Laden, or the disdain which the rest of the world feels towards us, to name a few.

A majority of Americans feel that the Bush administration is a “failure.”  Bush’s approval rating is 33 points less than Clinton’s at the time of his impeachment.  If you average the approval ratings of Bush and Cheney, you have a lower rating than any President at any time since these polls started.  If you think that this is the result of scandals manufactured by Democrats, think again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, there is a scandal every week because the Bush administration is feckless – the Democrats didn’t invent Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, the Libby indictment, the deficit, violating FISA, the mosque bombing, the failure to find WMD, the inability to confront Iran, the flaccid response to Katrina, the inability of Iraq to pump oil at pre-invasion levels, the inability to find Osama Bin Laden, or the disdain which the rest of the world feels towards us, to name a few.</p>
<p>A majority of Americans feel that the Bush administration is a “failure.”  Bush’s approval rating is 33 points less than Clinton’s at the time of his impeachment.  If you average the approval ratings of Bush and Cheney, you have a lower rating than any President at any time since these polls started.  If you think that this is the result of scandals manufactured by Democrats, think again.</p>
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		<title>By: dmac</title>
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		<dc:creator>dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Mar 2006 01:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You contradict you own conclusions here. The majority of the public wants to hear about the Dem&#039;s plans for the future, not about how awful they think the President is at the present. Attacking a lame - duck president during wartime has never proven to be a winning strategy, and if his opponents insist on acting like Lilliputians that shriek on a daily basis about the &quot;scandal du jour,&quot; it only lessens the effects that actual constructive criticism may have on the populace as a whole. 

And if they don&#039;t impeach or censure him after all this constant caterwauling, then it just looks like they lack the courage of their convictions here, of which they obviously have none.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You contradict you own conclusions here. The majority of the public wants to hear about the Dem&#8217;s plans for the future, not about how awful they think the President is at the present. Attacking a lame &#8211; duck president during wartime has never proven to be a winning strategy, and if his opponents insist on acting like Lilliputians that shriek on a daily basis about the &#8220;scandal du jour,&#8221; it only lessens the effects that actual constructive criticism may have on the populace as a whole. </p>
<p>And if they don&#8217;t impeach or censure him after all this constant caterwauling, then it just looks like they lack the courage of their convictions here, of which they obviously have none.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Mar 2006 01:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a new &quot;scandal&quot; every week because the scandal that the democrats invented the week before doesn&#039;t stick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a new &#8220;scandal&#8221; every week because the scandal that the democrats invented the week before doesn&#8217;t stick.</p>
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