Comments on: Things Are Critical In Iraq – Again http://informedspeculation.com/2006/04/03/things-are-critical-in-iraq-again/ Refunds Cheerfully Given To All Who Disagree Sat, 07 Apr 2012 09:00:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Mark http://informedspeculation.com/2006/04/03/things-are-critical-in-iraq-again/comment-page-1/#comment-15381 Mark Wed, 05 Apr 2006 17:43:39 +0000 http://decision08.net/2006/04/03/things-are-critical-in-iraq-again/#comment-15381 Oh, so the government knew about 9-11, did they? Drindl, please...take a big dose of grow-up... Oh, so the government knew about 9-11, did they? Drindl, please…take a big dose of grow-up…

]]> By: Drindl http://informedspeculation.com/2006/04/03/things-are-critical-in-iraq-again/comment-page-1/#comment-15380 Drindl Wed, 05 Apr 2006 17:13:43 +0000 http://decision08.net/2006/04/03/things-are-critical-in-iraq-again/#comment-15380 Who said it was a conspiracy? Not me. It was hidden in plain sight, because the media won't touch it. But it was a game plan. It started with a 'catastrophic event like Pearl Harbor'... Who said it was a conspiracy? Not me. It was hidden in plain sight, because the media won’t touch it. But it was a game plan. It started with a ‘catastrophic event like Pearl Harbor’…

]]> By: Mark http://informedspeculation.com/2006/04/03/things-are-critical-in-iraq-again/comment-page-1/#comment-15358 Mark Wed, 05 Apr 2006 04:11:09 +0000 http://decision08.net/2006/04/03/things-are-critical-in-iraq-again/#comment-15358 Oooh, the neocon boogeyman! I'm scared... Actually, I made the comment about offering nothing as backup to Robert (see comments number twenty and twenty-one)... Tell me, what kind of a conspiracy is it when you give out links to a pdf file of an official document? There's no hidden history here, it's all in plain sight.... Oooh, the neocon boogeyman! I’m scared…

Actually, I made the comment about offering nothing as backup to Robert (see comments number twenty and twenty-one)…

Tell me, what kind of a conspiracy is it when you give out links to a pdf file of an official document? There’s no hidden history here, it’s all in plain sight….

]]> By: tubino http://informedspeculation.com/2006/04/03/things-are-critical-in-iraq-again/comment-page-1/#comment-15354 tubino Wed, 05 Apr 2006 03:22:05 +0000 http://decision08.net/2006/04/03/things-are-critical-in-iraq-again/#comment-15354 Mark said, about Drindl, "I notice you offer nothing to back up your opinions. " To say this, Mark had to quite forcefully ignore that Drindl wrote: Mark, This will give you some clues: http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf Which is to say, he had to ignore that many of the most powerful proponents of the war wrote a document that proclaims the whole neocon dream about the middle east. Drindl, you offer a a false choice. You ask, liars or incompents? I say BOTH. I think the necons wanted to one over the taxpaying masses (lied), but were truly incompetent in the planning of the invasion and aftermath. I don't think the chaos completely supports their cause, because it really threatens US control in the region. The Kurds have been quite friendly to the US, for example, but Kurdish autonomy may make Turkish intervention unavoidable, and that would not be favorable for US control. Another example: the leverage that Iran can exert quite easily in Iraq is not favorable for the US. I guess you say, in the long term it won't matter, but what a stupid deadly and reckless way to gamble. Mark said, about Drindl, “I notice you offer nothing to back up your opinions. ”

To say this, Mark had to quite forcefully ignore that Drindl wrote:

Mark,

This will give you some clues:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

Which is to say, he had to ignore that many of the most powerful proponents of the war wrote a document that proclaims the whole neocon dream about the middle east.

Drindl, you offer a a false choice. You ask, liars or incompents? I say BOTH.
I think the necons wanted to one over the taxpaying masses (lied), but were truly incompetent in the planning of the invasion and aftermath. I don’t think the chaos completely supports their cause, because it really threatens US control in the region. The Kurds have been quite friendly to the US, for example, but Kurdish autonomy may make Turkish intervention unavoidable, and that would not be favorable for US control. Another example: the leverage that Iran can exert quite easily in Iraq is not favorable for the US.

I guess you say, in the long term it won’t matter, but what a stupid deadly and reckless way to gamble.

]]> By: masaccio http://informedspeculation.com/2006/04/03/things-are-critical-in-iraq-again/comment-page-1/#comment-15345 masaccio Tue, 04 Apr 2006 22:19:40 +0000 http://decision08.net/2006/04/03/things-are-critical-in-iraq-again/#comment-15345 Well, apparently I cannot figure out the href stuff. Here is a tinyurl for the Phillips article. http://tinyurl.com/oaz7p Well, apparently I cannot figure out the href stuff. Here is a tinyurl for the Phillips article.
http://tinyurl.com/oaz7p

]]> By: Mark http://informedspeculation.com/2006/04/03/things-are-critical-in-iraq-again/comment-page-1/#comment-15344 Mark Tue, 04 Apr 2006 22:19:03 +0000 http://decision08.net/2006/04/03/things-are-critical-in-iraq-again/#comment-15344 I hear ya - I shouldn't just ignore their views - look, I won't deny I'm not worried about Iraq...but worried is a long way from throwing in the towel. I think it's premature...but I do think the Iraqis are in a position where they have to start making progress. I do detect a shift in the winds along the lines of, "okay, we're not going to keep spending all this money and taking all these casualties if you guys don't get serious about negotiating a real government that is serious about running this country'... I hear ya – I shouldn’t just ignore their views – look, I won’t deny I’m not worried about Iraq…but worried is a long way from throwing in the towel. I think it’s premature…but I do think the Iraqis are in a position where they have to start making progress. I do detect a shift in the winds along the lines of, “okay, we’re not going to keep spending all this money and taking all these casualties if you guys don’t get serious about negotiating a real government that is serious about running this country’…

]]> By: masaccio http://informedspeculation.com/2006/04/03/things-are-critical-in-iraq-again/comment-page-1/#comment-15342 masaccio Tue, 04 Apr 2006 22:14:54 +0000 http://decision08.net/2006/04/03/things-are-critical-in-iraq-again/#comment-15342 1. I don't deny that you could find a retired general on any side of an issue, but I am not seeing any on the other side of Anthony Zinni. And I do not think active duty generals are likely to risk the remainder of their careers saying we need to leave. That is why I suggested considering their views. 2. I have never thought that oil was the principle reason for the invasion of Iraq. But this article by Kevin Phillips is of grave concern. <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/01/AR2006040100004.html" title="Phillips Article" rel="nofollow"></a> 1. I don’t deny that you could find a retired general on any side of an issue, but I am not seeing any on the other side of Anthony Zinni. And I do not think active duty generals are likely to risk the remainder of their careers saying we need to leave. That is why I suggested considering their views.

2. I have never thought that oil was the principle reason for the invasion of Iraq. But this article by Kevin Phillips is of grave concern.

]]> By: Drindl http://informedspeculation.com/2006/04/03/things-are-critical-in-iraq-again/comment-page-1/#comment-15339 Drindl Tue, 04 Apr 2006 21:31:19 +0000 http://decision08.net/2006/04/03/things-are-critical-in-iraq-again/#comment-15339 Sorry Mark-- you're on the wrong side of the looking glass. Reality is over here. Sorry Mark– you’re on the wrong side of the looking glass. Reality is over here.

]]> By: Mark http://informedspeculation.com/2006/04/03/things-are-critical-in-iraq-again/comment-page-1/#comment-15337 Mark Tue, 04 Apr 2006 21:18:31 +0000 http://decision08.net/2006/04/03/things-are-critical-in-iraq-again/#comment-15337 Drindl: "there is no war on terror"... Really, I think that's the signal that my time is up...sorry, got to catch a plane back to reality now!... Drindl: “there is no war on terror”…

Really, I think that’s the signal that my time is up…sorry, got to catch a plane back to reality now!…

]]> By: dmac http://informedspeculation.com/2006/04/03/things-are-critical-in-iraq-again/comment-page-1/#comment-15334 dmac Tue, 04 Apr 2006 20:23:22 +0000 http://decision08.net/2006/04/03/things-are-critical-in-iraq-again/#comment-15334 Drindl and Robert no doubt are currently reading the great and all - knowing Richard Belzer for their informed opinions here. I hear he uses Oliver Stone for many of his sources as well. And for their waking hours of the day, may I suggest some more appropriate attire: http://zapatopi.net/afdb/ Drindl and Robert no doubt are currently reading the great and all – knowing Richard Belzer for their informed opinions here. I hear he uses Oliver Stone for many of his sources as well.

And for their waking hours of the day, may I suggest some more appropriate attire:

http://zapatopi.net/afdb/

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