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		<title>By: Bill Baar</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/04/08/iran-again-signs-of-heat/comment-page-1/#comment-15922</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Baar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gabriel Glickman on &lt;a href=&quot;http://zope06.v.servelocity.net/hjs/sections/middleeast/document.2006-02-13.0189254628&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Re-interpreting Iran&lt;/a&gt; is a good read on how the Mullah&#039;s can be &lt;em&gt;destablized.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;Disabled by an alien idea of Islamo-Persian purity, the concerns of Iranian minorities have opened up a wellspring for democratic activity outside both the parameters of the theocratic Revolution and the rhetoric of Arab nationalism. The West has been more than a touch hasty in arrogating to President Ahmadinejad a monopoly of legitimate authority, which stands on a fast-diminishing political and demographic foundation.
Taking these alternative voices into account, a re-interpretation of Iran should shape a new response to the current nuclear crisis, not by propelling us into a drive for war, but by encouraging a more robust policy in the region; based unapologetically on liberal democratic virtues. Western powers can work to foster connections between minority groups, lend support to a unified vision of reform, and enhance the credibility of liberal voices at the forefront of the disaffected communities, to offset separatist claims.
The Iranian situation hangs on a knife edge. With Tehran destroying the moral and cultural case for national unity, the West’s failure to engage has installed the threat of an ethnic conflagration that could engulf the wider region. The prospect of a nuclear Iran is a fearsome enough creature; a fissiparous state, unravelling under terror, is even more deadly. Iran thus offers another potential example of the old holy grail of Middle East ‘stability’ slipping through our fingers; of ‘realist’ pessimism proving not so realistic in the end. Now is the time for the West to let re-interpretation bring about re-engagement, by embracing the democratic possibility.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gabriel Glickman on <a href="http://zope06.v.servelocity.net/hjs/sections/middleeast/document.2006-02-13.0189254628" rel="nofollow">Re-interpreting Iran</a> is a good read on how the Mullah&#8217;s can be <em>destablized.</em></p>
<blockquote><p>Disabled by an alien idea of Islamo-Persian purity, the concerns of Iranian minorities have opened up a wellspring for democratic activity outside both the parameters of the theocratic Revolution and the rhetoric of Arab nationalism. The West has been more than a touch hasty in arrogating to President Ahmadinejad a monopoly of legitimate authority, which stands on a fast-diminishing political and demographic foundation.<br />
Taking these alternative voices into account, a re-interpretation of Iran should shape a new response to the current nuclear crisis, not by propelling us into a drive for war, but by encouraging a more robust policy in the region; based unapologetically on liberal democratic virtues. Western powers can work to foster connections between minority groups, lend support to a unified vision of reform, and enhance the credibility of liberal voices at the forefront of the disaffected communities, to offset separatist claims.<br />
The Iranian situation hangs on a knife edge. With Tehran destroying the moral and cultural case for national unity, the West’s failure to engage has installed the threat of an ethnic conflagration that could engulf the wider region. The prospect of a nuclear Iran is a fearsome enough creature; a fissiparous state, unravelling under terror, is even more deadly. Iran thus offers another potential example of the old holy grail of Middle East ‘stability’ slipping through our fingers; of ‘realist’ pessimism proving not so realistic in the end. Now is the time for the West to let re-interpretation bring about re-engagement, by embracing the democratic possibility.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Decision &#8216;08 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; WaPo On Iran: Not So Fast, Seymour</title>
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		<dc:creator>Decision &#8216;08 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; WaPo On Iran: Not So Fast, Seymour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Apr 2006 17:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] According to current and former officials, Pentagon and CIA planners have been exploring possible targets, such as the uranium enrichment plant at Natanz and the uranium conversion facility at Isfahan. Although a land invasion is not contemplated, military officers are weighing alternatives ranging from a limited airstrike aimed at key nuclear sites, to a more extensive bombing campaign designed to destroy an array of military and political targets. So, no land invasion, but what about Sy Hersh&#8217;s tactical nukes? They make another appearance here: Pentagon planners are studying how to penetrate eight-foot-deep targets and are contemplating tactical nuclear devices. The Natanz facility consists of more than two dozen buildings, including two huge underground halls built with six-foot walls and supposedly protected by two concrete roofs with sand and rocks in between, according to Edward N. Luttwak, a specialist at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] According to current and former officials, Pentagon and CIA planners have been exploring possible targets, such as the uranium enrichment plant at Natanz and the uranium conversion facility at Isfahan. Although a land invasion is not contemplated, military officers are weighing alternatives ranging from a limited airstrike aimed at key nuclear sites, to a more extensive bombing campaign designed to destroy an array of military and political targets. So, no land invasion, but what about Sy Hersh&#8217;s tactical nukes? They make another appearance here: Pentagon planners are studying how to penetrate eight-foot-deep targets and are contemplating tactical nuclear devices. The Natanz facility consists of more than two dozen buildings, including two huge underground halls built with six-foot walls and supposedly protected by two concrete roofs with sand and rocks in between, according to Edward N. Luttwak, a specialist at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Flopping Aces &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Iranian Battle Plan II</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/04/08/iran-again-signs-of-heat/comment-page-1/#comment-15609</link>
		<dc:creator>Flopping Aces &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Iranian Battle Plan II</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Apr 2006 02:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The Cranky Insomniac</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/04/08/iran-again-signs-of-heat/comment-page-1/#comment-15606</link>
		<dc:creator>The Cranky Insomniac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Apr 2006 01:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hersh definitely has an uneven track record, but when he&#039;s right, he&#039;s usually dead on. The main problem with this article is its overwhelming dependence on anonymous sources. This may be understandable given the sensitivity of what Hersh is reporting, but after awhile you may start to wonder about the authenticity of what you&#039;re reading. I confess to being highly skeptical of the idea that the Administration is seriously considering using tactical nukes. Even if it makes military sense (which given the suspected underground nature of Iran&#039;s nuclear facilities it well might), from a public relations standpoint it is conceivably the worst possible idea in the world. As a former senior intelligence official tells Hersh, &quot;we’re talking about mushroom clouds, radiation, mass casualties, and contamination over years. This is not an underground nuclear test, where all you see is the earth raised a little bit.&quot; No war has ever required the winning of hearts and minds throughout the world more than the Global War on Terror, and images of mushroom clouds and children with radiation poisoning would damage America&#039;s reputation perhaps irreparably. And, maybe even more importantly, nothing would create more jihadists whose only goal would be &quot;death to America.&quot;

On the other hand, having senior officials &quot;leak&quot; the &quot;fact&quot; that the use of nukes is being seriously considered is a great piece of psyops if you want to scare the hell out of Iran and bring them to the bargaining table.

More at &lt;a href=&quot;http://crankyinsomniac.blogspot.com/2006/04/us-mulling-mullah-strike-sy-hersh-says.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Cranky Insomniac&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hersh definitely has an uneven track record, but when he&#8217;s right, he&#8217;s usually dead on. The main problem with this article is its overwhelming dependence on anonymous sources. This may be understandable given the sensitivity of what Hersh is reporting, but after awhile you may start to wonder about the authenticity of what you&#8217;re reading. I confess to being highly skeptical of the idea that the Administration is seriously considering using tactical nukes. Even if it makes military sense (which given the suspected underground nature of Iran&#8217;s nuclear facilities it well might), from a public relations standpoint it is conceivably the worst possible idea in the world. As a former senior intelligence official tells Hersh, &#8220;we’re talking about mushroom clouds, radiation, mass casualties, and contamination over years. This is not an underground nuclear test, where all you see is the earth raised a little bit.&#8221; No war has ever required the winning of hearts and minds throughout the world more than the Global War on Terror, and images of mushroom clouds and children with radiation poisoning would damage America&#8217;s reputation perhaps irreparably. And, maybe even more importantly, nothing would create more jihadists whose only goal would be &#8220;death to America.&#8221;</p>
<p>On the other hand, having senior officials &#8220;leak&#8221; the &#8220;fact&#8221; that the use of nukes is being seriously considered is a great piece of psyops if you want to scare the hell out of Iran and bring them to the bargaining table.</p>
<p>More at <a href="http://crankyinsomniac.blogspot.com/2006/04/us-mulling-mullah-strike-sy-hersh-says.html" rel="nofollow">The Cranky Insomniac</a></p>
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		<title>By: The Agonist</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Agonist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 22:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Lieberman On Iran&lt;/strong&gt;

Some enterprising journalist in DC or Connecticut needs to ask Joe Lieberman, point blank, yes or no, if he is the sole Democratic member of Congress Sy Hersh mentions in this article.
In recent weeks, the President has quietly initiated a series of talks</description>
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<p>Some enterprising journalist in DC or Connecticut needs to ask Joe Lieberman, point blank, yes or no, if he is the sole Democratic member of Congress Sy Hersh mentions in this article.<br />
In recent weeks, the President has quietly initiated a series of talks</p>
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		<title>By: Colin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 22:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On closer examination, I realize that the piece you linked to from Victor Davis Hanson was the article which mentioned the effects of the Falklands campaign on the Argentinians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On closer examination, I realize that the piece you linked to from Victor Davis Hanson was the article which mentioned the effects of the Falklands campaign on the Argentinians.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/04/08/iran-again-signs-of-heat/comment-page-1/#comment-15597</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 22:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, 

Hersh is trying to cloud the issue by taking us back into the 1980&#039;s and the Nuclear Freeze movement.   The real issue is how do we destabilize the Iranian regime to the point that they are overthrown.  Recently, I read something about the Iranian situation and the possible side-effects of a limited attack that put this whole debate in a different context.  Looking at the Iranian situation through the prism of the Falkland Islands War, a massive military defeat can push an already-disgusted population to the breaking point with regard to the leadership.  The embarassing loss in the Falklands campaign brought the military junta in control of Argentina down.  

Everybody says the if we attack Iran, all we&#039;ll end up doing is radicalizing the population.  What if an attack on Iran, resulting in the destruction of the Iranian nuclear program, of the Iranian air and naval capabilities, and of the Iranian command and control infrastructure (this would be a long aerial campaign, possibly lasting weeks.  Think Kosovo, not Desert Fox), the hostility to the regime already prevalent in the populace combined with the humiliating military defeat could push the Iranian people to the breaking point.  Possibly, this crisis is also an opportunity to implement regime change and ensure that we won&#039;t have to deal with this kind of foolishness from Iran again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, </p>
<p>Hersh is trying to cloud the issue by taking us back into the 1980&#8242;s and the Nuclear Freeze movement.   The real issue is how do we destabilize the Iranian regime to the point that they are overthrown.  Recently, I read something about the Iranian situation and the possible side-effects of a limited attack that put this whole debate in a different context.  Looking at the Iranian situation through the prism of the Falkland Islands War, a massive military defeat can push an already-disgusted population to the breaking point with regard to the leadership.  The embarassing loss in the Falklands campaign brought the military junta in control of Argentina down.  </p>
<p>Everybody says the if we attack Iran, all we&#8217;ll end up doing is radicalizing the population.  What if an attack on Iran, resulting in the destruction of the Iranian nuclear program, of the Iranian air and naval capabilities, and of the Iranian command and control infrastructure (this would be a long aerial campaign, possibly lasting weeks.  Think Kosovo, not Desert Fox), the hostility to the regime already prevalent in the populace combined with the humiliating military defeat could push the Iranian people to the breaking point.  Possibly, this crisis is also an opportunity to implement regime change and ensure that we won&#8217;t have to deal with this kind of foolishness from Iran again.</p>
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		<title>By: Gwedd</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/04/08/iran-again-signs-of-heat/comment-page-1/#comment-15594</link>
		<dc:creator>Gwedd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 21:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comrades,

    The debate is one that HAS to be engaged. Tactical Nukes are designed for just such situations, and their usefulness must be considered.

     The moral dilemma is easily solved. On the one hand you have a Theocracy whose stated intention is to destroy Israel, and threaten the rest of the world. This same Theocracy has stated it&#039;s intention to help establish a new Caliphate, to spread Islam throught the world and replace all other forms of government with Islamic law. This same Theocracy is engaged in building nuclear weapons, and has a delivery system capable of hitting targets as far away as Europe. 

     On the other hand, we have tactical nuclear weapons capable of destroying all or part of that same Theocracy. If you discover a rabid dog in your neighborhood, you don&#039;t lock yourself in your house. You find the dog and kill it before he infects and destroys your family. 

       I personally have no moral dilemma with using nuclear weapons. This nation should not either. We had no moral dilemma firebombing Tokyo, Dresden, Hamburg and other cities, where the casulties from those raids far exceeded those of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. If the threat is sufficient, then the choice of response is simple.

       Respects,

         Gwedd</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comrades,</p>
<p>    The debate is one that HAS to be engaged. Tactical Nukes are designed for just such situations, and their usefulness must be considered.</p>
<p>     The moral dilemma is easily solved. On the one hand you have a Theocracy whose stated intention is to destroy Israel, and threaten the rest of the world. This same Theocracy has stated it&#8217;s intention to help establish a new Caliphate, to spread Islam throught the world and replace all other forms of government with Islamic law. This same Theocracy is engaged in building nuclear weapons, and has a delivery system capable of hitting targets as far away as Europe. </p>
<p>     On the other hand, we have tactical nuclear weapons capable of destroying all or part of that same Theocracy. If you discover a rabid dog in your neighborhood, you don&#8217;t lock yourself in your house. You find the dog and kill it before he infects and destroys your family. </p>
<p>       I personally have no moral dilemma with using nuclear weapons. This nation should not either. We had no moral dilemma firebombing Tokyo, Dresden, Hamburg and other cities, where the casulties from those raids far exceeded those of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. If the threat is sufficient, then the choice of response is simple.</p>
<p>       Respects,</p>
<p>         Gwedd</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/04/08/iran-again-signs-of-heat/comment-page-1/#comment-15590</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 19:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kate, Hersh I find to be hit and miss - like most muckrakers, he lives and dies by the credibility of those who leak to him...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kate, Hersh I find to be hit and miss &#8211; like most muckrakers, he lives and dies by the credibility of those who leak to him&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Baar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Baar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 18:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not a Hersch fan but the debate is going on.  Whatever happens, no one can say they were lied too.  Hersch and Hanson gave two persepctives on what&#039;s facing us.

The bad thing is to hide from this saying it&#039;s an attempt to rally support for the administration, or we should be devoting ourselves to affairs at home.

We have a real decision to make about whether we can tolerate a Mullah lead nuclear Iran.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a Hersch fan but the debate is going on.  Whatever happens, no one can say they were lied too.  Hersch and Hanson gave two persepctives on what&#8217;s facing us.</p>
<p>The bad thing is to hide from this saying it&#8217;s an attempt to rally support for the administration, or we should be devoting ourselves to affairs at home.</p>
<p>We have a real decision to make about whether we can tolerate a Mullah lead nuclear Iran.</p>
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