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		<title>By: dmac</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/04/26/good-leaks-bad-leads-and-a-bureaucratic-insurgency/comment-page-1/#comment-20907</link>
		<dc:creator>dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Apr 2006 02:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, here&#039;s an interesting story: 

http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=9732

But just because Howard Dean and the DNC are setting up a legal fund for McCarthy in no way proves that her actions were politically motivated - and I&#039;ve got a bridge to sell you in Death Valley.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, here&#8217;s an interesting story: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=9732" rel="nofollow">http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=9732</a></p>
<p>But just because Howard Dean and the DNC are setting up a legal fund for McCarthy in no way proves that her actions were politically motivated &#8211; and I&#8217;ve got a bridge to sell you in Death Valley.</p>
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		<title>By: dmac</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/04/26/good-leaks-bad-leads-and-a-bureaucratic-insurgency/comment-page-1/#comment-20902</link>
		<dc:creator>dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Apr 2006 01:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing you&#039;ve forgotten from prior posts from yours truly - I thought the impeachment of Clinton was a bad idea from the start, both from a political and a constitutional perspective. I also thought that it would serve no practical purpose, other than to show to the world what kind of character he possessed, which everyone already was well - versed on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing you&#8217;ve forgotten from prior posts from yours truly &#8211; I thought the impeachment of Clinton was a bad idea from the start, both from a political and a constitutional perspective. I also thought that it would serve no practical purpose, other than to show to the world what kind of character he possessed, which everyone already was well &#8211; versed on.</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/04/26/good-leaks-bad-leads-and-a-bureaucratic-insurgency/comment-page-1/#comment-20890</link>
		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Micheal Brown was certifiably incompetent.  However, maybe he can find his ass with only one hand.

As for asking whether European countries would react negatively to the knowledge that they were torturing suspects sent from America:  what&#039;s hateful about that?  It&#039;s true!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Micheal Brown was certifiably incompetent.  However, maybe he can find his ass with only one hand.</p>
<p>As for asking whether European countries would react negatively to the knowledge that they were torturing suspects sent from America:  what&#8217;s hateful about that?  It&#8217;s true!</p>
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		<title>By: dmac</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/04/26/good-leaks-bad-leads-and-a-bureaucratic-insurgency/comment-page-1/#comment-20889</link>
		<dc:creator>dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Visceral - &quot;obtained through intuition rather than from reasoning or observation...&quot; 

Well, there you go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Visceral &#8211; &#8220;obtained through intuition rather than from reasoning or observation&#8230;&#8221; </p>
<p>Well, there you go.</p>
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		<title>By: dmac</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/04/26/good-leaks-bad-leads-and-a-bureaucratic-insurgency/comment-page-1/#comment-20888</link>
		<dc:creator>dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now, what phrase did I use that truly described &quot;visceral hatred&quot;  here?

&quot;...and would not trust the leadership of FEMA to someone who can’t find his ass with both hands.&quot;

...&quot;don’t you think that the reaction would be far worse for outsourcing torture for the Americans...&quot;

Now, THAT&#039;S visceral hatred!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, what phrase did I use that truly described &#8220;visceral hatred&#8221;  here?</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;and would not trust the leadership of FEMA to someone who can’t find his ass with both hands.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8221;don’t you think that the reaction would be far worse for outsourcing torture for the Americans&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Now, THAT&#8217;S visceral hatred!</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/04/26/good-leaks-bad-leads-and-a-bureaucratic-insurgency/comment-page-1/#comment-20887</link>
		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1)	I will try to get to the Hitchens piece after work, but I’m trying to wade through the smarminess and bombast in the excerpt to find out what his argument is.  There was a meeting between Iraq and Niger which Wilson was unaware of, which proves that Iraq had an active nuclear program?  If they had no nuclear weapons facilities, why were they trying to get uranium?

2)	I have no axe to grind for the DNC:  I think the Democratic party is flaccid and uninspiring.  In any event, whether I’m in agreement with the DNC or not is irrelevant.  Are you willing to disavow the drive to impeach Bill Clinton because it is based on RNC talking points?

3)	What’s wrong with Richard Clarke?

4)	As you know, Clinton’s terms were before 9/11, which did change everything.  The justification to place a burden on the chemical industry, for example, to safeguard its facilities wasn’t there before we were hit.  There also was not a need for a huge military build-up (and I’m not sure that there is a need now – but that’s another discussion).  In any event, you can indulge all you want in your “visceral hatred” (to steal a phrase) for Clinton, but you cannot deny that he was a hands-on and effective policy wonk.  He also had a much more effective FEMA Director (James Lee Witt).  Had we been attacked during his administration, it is inconceivable that he would not have used all of the levers of government to secure the homeland.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1)	I will try to get to the Hitchens piece after work, but I’m trying to wade through the smarminess and bombast in the excerpt to find out what his argument is.  There was a meeting between Iraq and Niger which Wilson was unaware of, which proves that Iraq had an active nuclear program?  If they had no nuclear weapons facilities, why were they trying to get uranium?</p>
<p>2)	I have no axe to grind for the DNC:  I think the Democratic party is flaccid and uninspiring.  In any event, whether I’m in agreement with the DNC or not is irrelevant.  Are you willing to disavow the drive to impeach Bill Clinton because it is based on RNC talking points?</p>
<p>3)	What’s wrong with Richard Clarke?</p>
<p>4)	As you know, Clinton’s terms were before 9/11, which did change everything.  The justification to place a burden on the chemical industry, for example, to safeguard its facilities wasn’t there before we were hit.  There also was not a need for a huge military build-up (and I’m not sure that there is a need now – but that’s another discussion).  In any event, you can indulge all you want in your “visceral hatred” (to steal a phrase) for Clinton, but you cannot deny that he was a hands-on and effective policy wonk.  He also had a much more effective FEMA Director (James Lee Witt).  Had we been attacked during his administration, it is inconceivable that he would not have used all of the levers of government to secure the homeland.</p>
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		<title>By: dmac</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/04/26/good-leaks-bad-leads-and-a-bureaucratic-insurgency/comment-page-1/#comment-20886</link>
		<dc:creator>dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For example, this is from his post on an earlier thread:      

&quot;Since you mention Clinton: I guarantee that he would have done far more in truly protecting us than Bush has ever done.&quot;

Please, pray tell us of the great national security systems that Billy - Boy initiated on his watch. Also please detail the enormous military and intelligence build  - up over his two terms, detailing the many new and innovative infrastructure details that were inaugurated on his initiative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For example, this is from his post on an earlier thread:      </p>
<p>&#8220;Since you mention Clinton: I guarantee that he would have done far more in truly protecting us than Bush has ever done.&#8221;</p>
<p>Please, pray tell us of the great national security systems that Billy &#8211; Boy initiated on his watch. Also please detail the enormous military and intelligence build  &#8211; up over his two terms, detailing the many new and innovative infrastructure details that were inaugurated on his initiative.</p>
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		<title>By: dmac</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/04/26/good-leaks-bad-leads-and-a-bureaucratic-insurgency/comment-page-1/#comment-20884</link>
		<dc:creator>dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Read the recent work of Christopher Hitchens on this subject...&quot; 

Mark, it&#039;s abundantly clear that Peter has a little problem reading articles that don&#039;t jibe with his elaborate DNC talking points. At any event, he may be too busy planning the upcoming parade down 5th avenue for Ms. McCarthy and Mother Sheehan. 

I hear the introductory speaker for the event is Richard Clarke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Read the recent work of Christopher Hitchens on this subject&#8230;&#8221; </p>
<p>Mark, it&#8217;s abundantly clear that Peter has a little problem reading articles that don&#8217;t jibe with his elaborate DNC talking points. At any event, he may be too busy planning the upcoming parade down 5th avenue for Ms. McCarthy and Mother Sheehan. </p>
<p>I hear the introductory speaker for the event is Richard Clarke.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s highlight a bit of the latest Hitchens piece on this subject to refresh your memory:

&lt;i&gt;Take that permanent smirk off your face, Ambassador (and the look of martyrdom as well, while you are at it). It seems that your contacts in the Niger Ministry of Mines—the ones that your wife told the CIA made you such a good choice for the trip—didn’t rate you highly enough to tell you about the Zahawie visit. It would, interestingly, have been a name you already knew. But you didn’t even get as far as having to explain it away—or not until last week—because you were that far in the dark. It was left to Italian, French, and British intelligence to discover the suggestive fact and transmit it to Washington. And it’s been left to someone else, most probably in the Niger embassy in Rome, to produce a much later fabrication, either for gain or in order to discredit a true story. The forged account has no bearing at all on the authentic one: It bears the same relationship as a fake $100 bill does to a genuine bill. The rip-off remake movie, “Mr. Wilson Goes to Niger,” now playing to packed houses of the credulous everywhere, has precisely the same relationship to its own original.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s highlight a bit of the latest Hitchens piece on this subject to refresh your memory:</p>
<p><i>Take that permanent smirk off your face, Ambassador (and the look of martyrdom as well, while you are at it). It seems that your contacts in the Niger Ministry of Mines—the ones that your wife told the CIA made you such a good choice for the trip—didn’t rate you highly enough to tell you about the Zahawie visit. It would, interestingly, have been a name you already knew. But you didn’t even get as far as having to explain it away—or not until last week—because you were that far in the dark. It was left to Italian, French, and British intelligence to discover the suggestive fact and transmit it to Washington. And it’s been left to someone else, most probably in the Niger embassy in Rome, to produce a much later fabrication, either for gain or in order to discredit a true story. The forged account has no bearing at all on the authentic one: It bears the same relationship as a fake $100 bill does to a genuine bill. The rip-off remake movie, “Mr. Wilson Goes to Niger,” now playing to packed houses of the credulous everywhere, has precisely the same relationship to its own original.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/04/26/good-leaks-bad-leads-and-a-bureaucratic-insurgency/comment-page-1/#comment-20882</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To this day, the British intelligence agencies have not disclaimed that statement.  Did you read the Hitchens pieces? If you did, you&#039;ll know how cursory Wilson&#039;s &#039;investigation&#039; was - he was not even aware of the visits, and it was up to Italian and British intelligence assets to alert America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To this day, the British intelligence agencies have not disclaimed that statement.  Did you read the Hitchens pieces? If you did, you&#8217;ll know how cursory Wilson&#8217;s &#8216;investigation&#8217; was &#8211; he was not even aware of the visits, and it was up to Italian and British intelligence assets to alert America.</p>
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