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		<title>By: Robman</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/06/01/harry-reid-and-the-fine-art-of-lawyerball/comment-page-1/#comment-72894</link>
		<dc:creator>Robman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 17:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow!  Boxing tickets.  I&#039;ll take that any day over Enron (the largest contributor to the Bush campaign), no bid contracts for Haliburton, Scooter Libby, Jack Abramoff, Tom Delay, and a president who literally did not know the difference between shi&#039;a and sunni as late as 2003.  Shall I go on?  I can.  

What happened to the Eisenhower republicans, or even the Nixon republicans for that matter?  The party&#039;s has lost its soul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow!  Boxing tickets.  I&#8217;ll take that any day over Enron (the largest contributor to the Bush campaign), no bid contracts for Haliburton, Scooter Libby, Jack Abramoff, Tom Delay, and a president who literally did not know the difference between shi&#8217;a and sunni as late as 2003.  Shall I go on?  I can.  </p>
<p>What happened to the Eisenhower republicans, or even the Nixon republicans for that matter?  The party&#8217;s has lost its soul.</p>
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		<title>By: dmac</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/06/01/harry-reid-and-the-fine-art-of-lawyerball/comment-page-1/#comment-39687</link>
		<dc:creator>dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jun 2006 00:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, just yanking your chain here. Thought you knew that, but it&#039;s hard to get context into this particular medium of communication. Talk to you later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, just yanking your chain here. Thought you knew that, but it&#8217;s hard to get context into this particular medium of communication. Talk to you later.</p>
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		<title>By: dmac</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/06/01/harry-reid-and-the-fine-art-of-lawyerball/comment-page-1/#comment-39683</link>
		<dc:creator>dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 23:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The second someone takes it out of bounds I steal the ball and just run with it.&quot;

Stay tuned for additional tired sports metaphors. 

&quot;Sorry I didn’t laugh at that and say nothing in response.&quot; 

So this sentence refers to...what, exactly?   

&quot;When someone makes a point, why go THERE?&quot; 

Is this a line from your high school years?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The second someone takes it out of bounds I steal the ball and just run with it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Stay tuned for additional tired sports metaphors. </p>
<p>&#8220;Sorry I didn’t laugh at that and say nothing in response.&#8221; </p>
<p>So this sentence refers to&#8230;what, exactly?   </p>
<p>&#8220;When someone makes a point, why go THERE?&#8221; </p>
<p>Is this a line from your high school years?</p>
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		<title>By: mikebdot</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/06/01/harry-reid-and-the-fine-art-of-lawyerball/comment-page-1/#comment-39663</link>
		<dc:creator>mikebdot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 23:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dmac: As it turns out, I don&#039;t listen to Stern.

As for your &#039;obsession&#039; I only meant why bring it up in one of the two sentences of some sort of &#039;response&#039; to me, in which nobody mentions Clinton at all.  It does not connect to this in any way shape or form.  When someone makes a point, why go THERE?  You&#039;re the one that took it THERE.  The second someone takes it out of bounds I steal the ball and just run with it.  It&#039;s more for humor than anything else.  

In any event, sorry for my &#039;shoddiness&#039;, as if your initial response was a work of logical art.  Oh, someone is making a logical argument, it&#039;s lawyer speak, just like when Clinton said &quot;is&quot; should be defined.  Hardy har har.  Sorry I didn&#039;t laugh at that and say nothing in response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dmac: As it turns out, I don&#8217;t listen to Stern.</p>
<p>As for your &#8216;obsession&#8217; I only meant why bring it up in one of the two sentences of some sort of &#8216;response&#8217; to me, in which nobody mentions Clinton at all.  It does not connect to this in any way shape or form.  When someone makes a point, why go THERE?  You&#8217;re the one that took it THERE.  The second someone takes it out of bounds I steal the ball and just run with it.  It&#8217;s more for humor than anything else.  </p>
<p>In any event, sorry for my &#8217;shoddiness&#8217;, as if your initial response was a work of logical art.  Oh, someone is making a logical argument, it&#8217;s lawyer speak, just like when Clinton said &#8220;is&#8221; should be defined.  Hardy har har.  Sorry I didn&#8217;t laugh at that and say nothing in response.</p>
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		<title>By: dmac</title>
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		<dc:creator>dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 21:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;For Monica, maybe it was right.&quot; 

I guess this really breaks them up on the Stern show - I dub thee a brilliant farseur!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;For Monica, maybe it was right.&#8221; </p>
<p>I guess this really breaks them up on the Stern show &#8211; I dub thee a brilliant farseur!</p>
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		<title>By: dmac</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/06/01/harry-reid-and-the-fine-art-of-lawyerball/comment-page-1/#comment-39573</link>
		<dc:creator>dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 21:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What is your obsession with the Clenis?&quot; 

You must be fantasizing- no obsession here. In fact, I&#039;ve given him much credit in this blog (how long have you been here - not very long, based on this assumption) for his handling of the economy, his environmental record, Hillary&#039;s foresight of the forthcoming health care crisis (although I believe that she went about it in a misguided way), and so on. OTOH, I did not care for his policies regarding the rest of the world, and have been vocal about that as well. 

I&#039;ve also stated that I cared less who did what to whom in his oval office, so it looks like you&#039;re taking one sentence and making it into some kind of a grand oeuvre&#039; here. Quite shoddy work on your part, and is indicative of someone trying to make a claim that he cannot support. 

If I&#039;m wrong, please give cites for your declarative statement - if none are forthcoming, then you&#039;re just talking out of your backside.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What is your obsession with the Clenis?&#8221; </p>
<p>You must be fantasizing- no obsession here. In fact, I&#8217;ve given him much credit in this blog (how long have you been here &#8211; not very long, based on this assumption) for his handling of the economy, his environmental record, Hillary&#8217;s foresight of the forthcoming health care crisis (although I believe that she went about it in a misguided way), and so on. OTOH, I did not care for his policies regarding the rest of the world, and have been vocal about that as well. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also stated that I cared less who did what to whom in his oval office, so it looks like you&#8217;re taking one sentence and making it into some kind of a grand oeuvre&#8217; here. Quite shoddy work on your part, and is indicative of someone trying to make a claim that he cannot support. </p>
<p>If I&#8217;m wrong, please give cites for your declarative statement &#8211; if none are forthcoming, then you&#8217;re just talking out of your backside.</p>
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		<title>By: mikebdot</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikebdot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 20:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, noticing technicalities in the system isn&#039;t necessarily unethical, especially if the decisions which are made are logical decisions that help the populace.  Even implicit quid pro quo would be unacceptable.  All ethical guidelines have a line which is drawn.  No corporate ethical guidelines require you to be a saint.  Niether should political ones.  Neither should personal ones.  I think logic should be the dominant decision making tool, but call me crazy if you wish.  I&#039;ll be the first to argue that ethics are based on logic/game theory anyhow.  To say &quot;gee, that&#039;s unethical, he should be kicked out of office&quot; holds little weight.  To say &quot;gee, he/she&#039;s incompetent, he/she should be kicked out of office&quot; is a much stronger argument (if actually made).

My last paragraph was meant to show that I&#039;m not unreasonable about various ethical lapses being made in government.  It&#039;s going to happen, but if the intent is to defraud the public or get money out of it, it is stealing, plain and simple.  It&#039;s the same as stealing cable or pirating movies.  Using your power to obtain money is one thing, in this case I don&#039;t think that was what happened based on Reid&#039;s history of paying for events.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, noticing technicalities in the system isn&#8217;t necessarily unethical, especially if the decisions which are made are logical decisions that help the populace.  Even implicit quid pro quo would be unacceptable.  All ethical guidelines have a line which is drawn.  No corporate ethical guidelines require you to be a saint.  Niether should political ones.  Neither should personal ones.  I think logic should be the dominant decision making tool, but call me crazy if you wish.  I&#8217;ll be the first to argue that ethics are based on logic/game theory anyhow.  To say &#8220;gee, that&#8217;s unethical, he should be kicked out of office&#8221; holds little weight.  To say &#8220;gee, he/she&#8217;s incompetent, he/she should be kicked out of office&#8221; is a much stronger argument (if actually made).</p>
<p>My last paragraph was meant to show that I&#8217;m not unreasonable about various ethical lapses being made in government.  It&#8217;s going to happen, but if the intent is to defraud the public or get money out of it, it is stealing, plain and simple.  It&#8217;s the same as stealing cable or pirating movies.  Using your power to obtain money is one thing, in this case I don&#8217;t think that was what happened based on Reid&#8217;s history of paying for events.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 19:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, just so I&#039;m clear, you have no problem with unethical behavior, as long as there is not an explicit quid pro quo? Because that&#039;s exactly what you just said in your last paragraph...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, just so I&#8217;m clear, you have no problem with unethical behavior, as long as there is not an explicit quid pro quo? Because that&#8217;s exactly what you just said in your last paragraph&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mikebdot</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikebdot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 19:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dmac: What is your obsession with the Clenis?  Do you often wonder if it hooks to the left (since he&#039;s a lefty and all).  I guess it would depend on your point of view though, huh?  For Monica, maybe it was right.

No, tribes giving thousands of dollars to democratic candidates year after year and then giving less money to democrats when Abramoff gets involved isn&#039;t lawyer talk.  It&#039;s a fact that affords some deductive conclusions the left makes.  I happen to agree with that deductive logic.

I&#039;m strongly in favor in knowing all the rules so you know how to get around them.  It&#039;s fair game.  It&#039;s how the political game will always work and I have absolutely no problem with that.  However, when lobbyists are literally allowed to buy votes, that&#039;s when I have a problem.  That was not the case here.  Nor was it the case in the other Solomon article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dmac: What is your obsession with the Clenis?  Do you often wonder if it hooks to the left (since he&#8217;s a lefty and all).  I guess it would depend on your point of view though, huh?  For Monica, maybe it was right.</p>
<p>No, tribes giving thousands of dollars to democratic candidates year after year and then giving less money to democrats when Abramoff gets involved isn&#8217;t lawyer talk.  It&#8217;s a fact that affords some deductive conclusions the left makes.  I happen to agree with that deductive logic.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m strongly in favor in knowing all the rules so you know how to get around them.  It&#8217;s fair game.  It&#8217;s how the political game will always work and I have absolutely no problem with that.  However, when lobbyists are literally allowed to buy votes, that&#8217;s when I have a problem.  That was not the case here.  Nor was it the case in the other Solomon article.</p>
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		<title>By: dmac</title>
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		<dc:creator>dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 18:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Also, lefties usually insist that Abramoff never effected the money his “clients” would have given the democrats anyway...&quot; 

This is just more parsing of language in the usual lawyerly - speak that we see from both sides these days. Reminds me of the infamous &quot;no controlling legal authority,&quot; from not too long ago, only to be topped later on from the classic statement, &quot;depends on what your definition of &#039;is&#039; is.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Also, lefties usually insist that Abramoff never effected the money his “clients” would have given the democrats anyway&#8230;&#8221; </p>
<p>This is just more parsing of language in the usual lawyerly &#8211; speak that we see from both sides these days. Reminds me of the infamous &#8220;no controlling legal authority,&#8221; from not too long ago, only to be topped later on from the classic statement, &#8220;depends on what your definition of &#8216;is&#8217; is.&#8221;</p>
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