Comments on: Iran: Fitful Progress http://informedspeculation.com/2006/06/08/iran-fitful-progress/ Refunds Cheerfully Given To All Who Disagree Sat, 07 Apr 2012 09:00:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: megapotamus http://informedspeculation.com/2006/06/08/iran-fitful-progress/comment-page-1/#comment-42783 megapotamus Thu, 08 Jun 2006 20:08:59 +0000 http://decision08.net/2006/06/08/iran-fitful-progress/#comment-42783 "We shall see." is always prudent rhetorically. Sadly our leaders do not have that luxury. They must make the future happen. On Iran, I think Mark Steyn said it well; this anouncement of "negotiations" will in reality mean negotiations amongst the Western allies as to our collective position, still unclear. Negotiations with the mullahs will never truly take place for a simple reason: their nukes are not up for negotiation. The true rulers of Iran feel this program to be vital existentially for them and they are, of course, correct. A pastiche of internal change which will include healthy doses of true anarchy and external pressures which may or may not include military force will sculpt the changes in Iran. The crisis is here. Skillfully handled we will have the result Carter hoped to effect (though he took no action to bring about) in that nation. I have high confidence in Our Boy, that is W. I know that is a controversial view even among Hard Righties which, I should say, I am not one. “We shall see.” is always prudent rhetorically. Sadly our leaders do not have that luxury. They must make the future happen. On Iran, I think Mark Steyn said it well; this anouncement of “negotiations” will in reality mean negotiations amongst the Western allies as to our collective position, still unclear. Negotiations with the mullahs will never truly take place for a simple reason: their nukes are not up for negotiation. The true rulers of Iran feel this program to be vital existentially for them and they are, of course, correct. A pastiche of internal change which will include healthy doses of true anarchy and external pressures which may or may not include military force will sculpt the changes in Iran. The crisis is here. Skillfully handled we will have the result Carter hoped to effect (though he took no action to bring about) in that nation. I have high confidence in Our Boy, that is W. I know that is a controversial view even among Hard Righties which, I should say, I am not one.

]]> By: mikebdot http://informedspeculation.com/2006/06/08/iran-fitful-progress/comment-page-1/#comment-42776 mikebdot Thu, 08 Jun 2006 19:24:07 +0000 http://decision08.net/2006/06/08/iran-fitful-progress/#comment-42776 Mark, Just to clarify, I have no issue with you not being optimistic about Iran, but, likewise, I also have no issue with Atrios not being optimistic about Iraq (because of Zarqawi). That's all I was getting at... I don't know what to make of all this yet. I've been patiently waiting for something noteworthy to occur. I don't think that will happen for another few months. You're right though, we'll see one way or the other soon enough... Mark,

Just to clarify, I have no issue with you not being optimistic about Iran, but, likewise, I also have no issue with Atrios not being optimistic about Iraq (because of Zarqawi). That’s all I was getting at…

I don’t know what to make of all this yet. I’ve been patiently waiting for something noteworthy to occur. I don’t think that will happen for another few months.

You’re right though, we’ll see one way or the other soon enough…

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