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	<title>Comments on: A Call For A Democratic Iraq Policy &#8211; From The Left</title>
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		<title>By: mtl</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/06/16/a-call-for-a-democratic-iraq-policy-from-the-left/comment-page-1/#comment-47717</link>
		<dc:creator>mtl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jun 2006 00:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tony Snow is doing Chris Wallace on Sunday.  Talk about homefield advantage...

I still think that Snow is the centerpiece to the revamped WH.  Bolton made a good hire.  Bush relied heavily on Condi in the first term and he has missed having someone around him that he likes.  I have a feeling that Snow and bush are bonding well.  Snow has a sense for pr that may be what the WH needs.  Scotty couldn&#039;t do nuance, tony invented it.  He gets the nod in charisma as well.

Scotty.  I loved the guy, but he was at best the piss boy.  Bush had zero confidence in him, and he was three times the liability that Rove ever was.  They definitely got rid of the right guy.

What is Rove&#039;s biggest fear?  Peaking on Iraq too soon.  We are passing that point, but had the press emphasized the impending success, a repeat of 92 lay out there.  If Iraq was perceived as a done deal, the public would breathe a sigh of relief, assess the end of the war-and may be less committed to voting.  The press, in failing to emphasize the impending success, has played right into the gop&#039;s hands.  

Snow on sunday?  first glimpse of how the success in Iraq will be presented during the campaign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony Snow is doing Chris Wallace on Sunday.  Talk about homefield advantage&#8230;</p>
<p>I still think that Snow is the centerpiece to the revamped WH.  Bolton made a good hire.  Bush relied heavily on Condi in the first term and he has missed having someone around him that he likes.  I have a feeling that Snow and bush are bonding well.  Snow has a sense for pr that may be what the WH needs.  Scotty couldn&#8217;t do nuance, tony invented it.  He gets the nod in charisma as well.</p>
<p>Scotty.  I loved the guy, but he was at best the piss boy.  Bush had zero confidence in him, and he was three times the liability that Rove ever was.  They definitely got rid of the right guy.</p>
<p>What is Rove&#8217;s biggest fear?  Peaking on Iraq too soon.  We are passing that point, but had the press emphasized the impending success, a repeat of 92 lay out there.  If Iraq was perceived as a done deal, the public would breathe a sigh of relief, assess the end of the war-and may be less committed to voting.  The press, in failing to emphasize the impending success, has played right into the gop&#8217;s hands.  </p>
<p>Snow on sunday?  first glimpse of how the success in Iraq will be presented during the campaign.</p>
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		<title>By: mtl</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/06/16/a-call-for-a-democratic-iraq-policy-from-the-left/comment-page-1/#comment-47706</link>
		<dc:creator>mtl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jun 2006 00:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Democratic &#039;contract with America&#039; does not discuss Iraq.

Newsflash:  The dems are admitting no coherent policy.

Forget the &#039;cheap stunt&#039; stuff, after all, who remembers the Seante filibustering judges.

Mort kondracke was an advocate of letting the democrats submit their own resolution, for the purpose of demonstrating that they were incapable of drafting a resolution.

This cheap stunt, actually saved the dems from further embarrassment.  They are complaning about not getting to do a resolution, but they couldn&#039;t even get it on their contract.

Nov is going to be a bloodbath.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Democratic &#8216;contract with America&#8217; does not discuss Iraq.</p>
<p>Newsflash:  The dems are admitting no coherent policy.</p>
<p>Forget the &#8216;cheap stunt&#8217; stuff, after all, who remembers the Seante filibustering judges.</p>
<p>Mort kondracke was an advocate of letting the democrats submit their own resolution, for the purpose of demonstrating that they were incapable of drafting a resolution.</p>
<p>This cheap stunt, actually saved the dems from further embarrassment.  They are complaning about not getting to do a resolution, but they couldn&#8217;t even get it on their contract.</p>
<p>Nov is going to be a bloodbath.</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/06/16/a-call-for-a-democratic-iraq-policy-from-the-left/comment-page-1/#comment-47680</link>
		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jun 2006 00:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don’t believe that it necessarily follows that if you think the war was a hideous mistake, that therefore you must also advocate an immediate (or quick) withdrawal.  I believe that because we destabilized Iraq, we have obligations to the Iraqis to remain for some period of time, or until certain benchmarks are met.  I don’t know what the time or the benchmarks ought to be, but I don’t think that simply because (in my opinion) the war was wrong that we ought to pack up and leave.

My suggestion would be to have a plebiscite in Iraq asking the Iraqis if we should stay or leave, and then follow their wishes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t believe that it necessarily follows that if you think the war was a hideous mistake, that therefore you must also advocate an immediate (or quick) withdrawal.  I believe that because we destabilized Iraq, we have obligations to the Iraqis to remain for some period of time, or until certain benchmarks are met.  I don’t know what the time or the benchmarks ought to be, but I don’t think that simply because (in my opinion) the war was wrong that we ought to pack up and leave.</p>
<p>My suggestion would be to have a plebiscite in Iraq asking the Iraqis if we should stay or leave, and then follow their wishes.</p>
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		<title>By: Muffin the Cat</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/06/16/a-call-for-a-democratic-iraq-policy-from-the-left/comment-page-1/#comment-47636</link>
		<dc:creator>Muffin the Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jun 2006 23:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A political stunt by the Repubs?  I thought this was a stunt by the Dems.  Didn&#039;t Kerry introduce the measure in the Senate?   The only reason they are complaining is because they could not use the vote to their advantage in any way.   Again, the Repubs have forced an up and down vote on Iraq to their advantage.  The Dems shot themselves in the foot on this issue and have lost some momentum the last few weeks and it is showing.  The whining is getting louder.   The word to describe this event is &quot;splendiferous&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A political stunt by the Repubs?  I thought this was a stunt by the Dems.  Didn&#8217;t Kerry introduce the measure in the Senate?   The only reason they are complaining is because they could not use the vote to their advantage in any way.   Again, the Repubs have forced an up and down vote on Iraq to their advantage.  The Dems shot themselves in the foot on this issue and have lost some momentum the last few weeks and it is showing.  The whining is getting louder.   The word to describe this event is &#8220;splendiferous&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Pros and Cons</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/06/16/a-call-for-a-democratic-iraq-policy-from-the-left/comment-page-1/#comment-47569</link>
		<dc:creator>Pros and Cons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jun 2006 21:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;More &#8220;Hee Hee Hee!&#8221;&lt;/strong&gt;

	Hee hee hee (see also here), again. More mau mauing amongst the opposition, and just when things were going so well for the Dems, not! (Really, check out Bruce Reed, who cannot help lamenting it even as he tries to take those evil Bushinskis down a pe...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>More &#8220;Hee Hee Hee!&#8221;</strong></p>
<p>	Hee hee hee (see also here), again. More mau mauing amongst the opposition, and just when things were going so well for the Dems, not! (Really, check out Bruce Reed, who cannot help lamenting it even as he tries to take those evil Bushinskis down a pe&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: megapotamus</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/06/16/a-call-for-a-democratic-iraq-policy-from-the-left/comment-page-1/#comment-47516</link>
		<dc:creator>megapotamus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jun 2006 20:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Scummy&quot;. Hmmm. Brilliant insight there. Typical, of course as there is no expiation on a definition, historical or otherwise of what sort of action is scummy and which legitimate. The Left has nothing with which to argue; argumentation itself is like garlic to a vampire for them. Not fatal necessarily but the aversion is profound and soundly based. Let them shriek and moan, it is music, oh yes! We are picoseconds away from Dean, Kennedy or some other bigwig Dem actually denouncing our Consitutional order as a corrupt fraud... or did we pass that already? I know Carter denounced the American Revolution as a gratuitous outburst of violence; utterly unnecessary given the example of our friends in the Great White. Gore DID denounce the very concept of colorblindedness in the law, at Ebenezer Baptist Church of all places but that&#039;s not the same thing (arguably WORSE in my book but we digress). While RFK Jr did famously and with famous ignorance denounce the last two Presidential elections as frauds we haven&#039;t yet heard a blanket denunciation of popular sovereignty, have we? Well, it might take 11/06 to prick that sore but that&#039;s the great thing about the electoral calender; the clock is always ticking....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Scummy&#8221;. Hmmm. Brilliant insight there. Typical, of course as there is no expiation on a definition, historical or otherwise of what sort of action is scummy and which legitimate. The Left has nothing with which to argue; argumentation itself is like garlic to a vampire for them. Not fatal necessarily but the aversion is profound and soundly based. Let them shriek and moan, it is music, oh yes! We are picoseconds away from Dean, Kennedy or some other bigwig Dem actually denouncing our Consitutional order as a corrupt fraud&#8230; or did we pass that already? I know Carter denounced the American Revolution as a gratuitous outburst of violence; utterly unnecessary given the example of our friends in the Great White. Gore DID denounce the very concept of colorblindedness in the law, at Ebenezer Baptist Church of all places but that&#8217;s not the same thing (arguably WORSE in my book but we digress). While RFK Jr did famously and with famous ignorance denounce the last two Presidential elections as frauds we haven&#8217;t yet heard a blanket denunciation of popular sovereignty, have we? Well, it might take 11/06 to prick that sore but that&#8217;s the great thing about the electoral calender; the clock is always ticking&#8230;.</p>
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