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		<title>By: peter</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/06/29/noonan-on-the-times/comment-page-1/#comment-58288</link>
		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 19:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I’m skeptical – I think the GOP will drag this out as long as they possibly can.

I’m still upset at the Journal – they have been completely silent on the issue – I think they’re a bunch of, uh, wussies (well, rhymes with wussies).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m skeptical – I think the GOP will drag this out as long as they possibly can.</p>
<p>I’m still upset at the Journal – they have been completely silent on the issue – I think they’re a bunch of, uh, wussies (well, rhymes with wussies).</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/06/29/noonan-on-the-times/comment-page-1/#comment-58279</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 18:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly, I think the reaction WAS delayed a little - for me, it took a while to sink in how angry it made me (I&#039;m not arguing with you, just explaining my reactions) - not that the revelation was made so much as that it was made on what appeared to be a completely above-board, successful program...

I suspect that the whole thing will die down very quickly now, however; these things tend to...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, I think the reaction WAS delayed a little &#8211; for me, it took a while to sink in how angry it made me (I&#8217;m not arguing with you, just explaining my reactions) &#8211; not that the revelation was made so much as that it was made on what appeared to be a completely above-board, successful program&#8230;</p>
<p>I suspect that the whole thing will die down very quickly now, however; these things tend to&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/06/29/noonan-on-the-times/comment-page-1/#comment-58274</link>
		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 18:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few days ago, I looked at your homepage and counted the number of threads about the Times thing – I think it was seven out of sixteen items – this is probably as good a proxy as any for determining how fired up the base is --</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few days ago, I looked at your homepage and counted the number of threads about the Times thing – I think it was seven out of sixteen items – this is probably as good a proxy as any for determining how fired up the base is &#8211;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/06/29/noonan-on-the-times/comment-page-1/#comment-58268</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 18:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re not going to get any argument from me on the gay marriage / flag amendment thing, but my opinion, which you obviously don&#039;t agree with, is that the Times thing is an animal of a different color.  Fired up the base? Hell, yeah, it did - but little direction was needed...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re not going to get any argument from me on the gay marriage / flag amendment thing, but my opinion, which you obviously don&#8217;t agree with, is that the Times thing is an animal of a different color.  Fired up the base? Hell, yeah, it did &#8211; but little direction was needed&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/06/29/noonan-on-the-times/comment-page-1/#comment-58257</link>
		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 18:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The blogosphere is one thing and the Republican establishment is another.  When the heavyweights in the Republican party all say the same thing at the same time, I think it’s reasonable to draw the inference that there might be some coordination present.  

If you don’t like Clarke and Cressey – both of whom served as top anti-terrorism officials – then feel free to dismiss both of them.  I would think that their backgrounds would give them some credibility.  Their take on the issue is:

“There is, of course, another possible explanation for all the outraged bloviating.  It is an election year.  Karl Rove has already said that if it were up to the Democrats, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi would still be alive.  The attacks on the press are part of a political effort by administration officials to divide America, and to scare their supporters to the polls again this year.”

We’ve seen a number of efforts to fire up the base over the past few weeks.  First the Congress wasted a few days to debate a gay marriage bill which everyone knew was doomed to failure.  Then there was a few days to talk about a flag burning amendment, which is a solution in search of a problem if there ever was one.  Now we have the brouhaha about the Times.  During this period, the media focus shifted from gas prices, the immigration bill deadlock, and the war in Iraq to three issues which are red meat for the base.  Now you may feel that an administration which is willing to expose a CIA operative to the press for partisan gain would be genuinely upset when the Times reveals minor details about a program which has been public knowledge for years.  Sorry, I just don’t buy it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The blogosphere is one thing and the Republican establishment is another.  When the heavyweights in the Republican party all say the same thing at the same time, I think it’s reasonable to draw the inference that there might be some coordination present.  </p>
<p>If you don’t like Clarke and Cressey – both of whom served as top anti-terrorism officials – then feel free to dismiss both of them.  I would think that their backgrounds would give them some credibility.  Their take on the issue is:</p>
<p>“There is, of course, another possible explanation for all the outraged bloviating.  It is an election year.  Karl Rove has already said that if it were up to the Democrats, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi would still be alive.  The attacks on the press are part of a political effort by administration officials to divide America, and to scare their supporters to the polls again this year.”</p>
<p>We’ve seen a number of efforts to fire up the base over the past few weeks.  First the Congress wasted a few days to debate a gay marriage bill which everyone knew was doomed to failure.  Then there was a few days to talk about a flag burning amendment, which is a solution in search of a problem if there ever was one.  Now we have the brouhaha about the Times.  During this period, the media focus shifted from gas prices, the immigration bill deadlock, and the war in Iraq to three issues which are red meat for the base.  Now you may feel that an administration which is willing to expose a CIA operative to the press for partisan gain would be genuinely upset when the Times reveals minor details about a program which has been public knowledge for years.  Sorry, I just don’t buy it.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/06/29/noonan-on-the-times/comment-page-1/#comment-58241</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 17:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, Richard Clarke. Publishing an essay in the Times itself. Now &lt;i&gt;there&#039;s&lt;/i&gt; an unbiased source.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, Richard Clarke. Publishing an essay in the Times itself. Now <i>there&#8217;s</i> an unbiased source.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/06/29/noonan-on-the-times/comment-page-1/#comment-58240</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 17:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter, as part of this secret conspiracy to deflect attention, did the Rove braintrust force the Times et al to publish the stories in the first place? After all, it&#039;s hard to send out the marching orders without the Reichstag fire to start it off.

You&#039;ll also notice that people were in fact blogging about this story, the day it was published, such as &lt;a href=&quot;http://hughhewitt.com/archives/2006/06/18-week/index.php#a002565&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;High Hewitt&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://instapundit.com/archives/031040.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Instapundit,&lt;/a&gt; both of whome include links to other bloggers talking about it. I guess they all must have misread the orders dictating no discussion of this until Tuesday.

I must say, I&#039;m feeling a little left out. I&#039;m just honestly aggravated. No one instructed me on what emotion to have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter, as part of this secret conspiracy to deflect attention, did the Rove braintrust force the Times et al to publish the stories in the first place? After all, it&#8217;s hard to send out the marching orders without the Reichstag fire to start it off.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll also notice that people were in fact blogging about this story, the day it was published, such as <a href="http://hughhewitt.com/archives/2006/06/18-week/index.php#a002565" rel="nofollow">High Hewitt</a> and <a href="http://instapundit.com/archives/031040.php" rel="nofollow">Instapundit,</a> both of whome include links to other bloggers talking about it. I guess they all must have misread the orders dictating no discussion of this until Tuesday.</p>
<p>I must say, I&#8217;m feeling a little left out. I&#8217;m just honestly aggravated. No one instructed me on what emotion to have.</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/06/29/noonan-on-the-times/comment-page-1/#comment-58239</link>
		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 17:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your first sentence is correct.  The second sentence is incorrect, because there was nothing secret about a plan which has been broadcasted by the administration for three years.

The article by Richard Clarke and Roger Cressey in today’s Times says it better than I can:

“(The Bush administration) wants the public to believe that it had not already occurred to every terrorist on the planet that his telephone was probably monitored and his international bank transfers subject to scrutiny.  How gullible does the administration take the American citizenry for?”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your first sentence is correct.  The second sentence is incorrect, because there was nothing secret about a plan which has been broadcasted by the administration for three years.</p>
<p>The article by Richard Clarke and Roger Cressey in today’s Times says it better than I can:</p>
<p>“(The Bush administration) wants the public to believe that it had not already occurred to every terrorist on the planet that his telephone was probably monitored and his international bank transfers subject to scrutiny.  How gullible does the administration take the American citizenry for?”</p>
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		<title>By: mtl</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/06/29/noonan-on-the-times/comment-page-1/#comment-58215</link>
		<dc:creator>mtl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 16:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your theory presupposes that the people in question did not know their position on this until they met/discussed and came up with a plan.

It was a no-brainer. The NYT revealed a secret program, once effective becuase it was a secret program.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your theory presupposes that the people in question did not know their position on this until they met/discussed and came up with a plan.</p>
<p>It was a no-brainer. The NYT revealed a secret program, once effective becuase it was a secret program.</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/06/29/noonan-on-the-times/comment-page-1/#comment-58170</link>
		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The story comes out on a Friday (I think), nothing happens until Tuesday (I think), then both Bush and Cheney make statements on the same day, and later that day all Hell breaks loose.  Must be coincidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The story comes out on a Friday (I think), nothing happens until Tuesday (I think), then both Bush and Cheney make statements on the same day, and later that day all Hell breaks loose.  Must be coincidence.</p>
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