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		<title>By: Ryan Bonneville</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/07/12/samuelson-on-ceo-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-64442</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Bonneville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but it&#039;s not clear to me that shareholders and big investors care in the slightest.  Nor is it particularly clear why they would, at least from the economics/preferences/self-interest point of view.  If you can present a compelling argument about how this is even workable, I&#039;m open to changing my mind.  After all, I&#039;m not comfortable with the obvious and easy solution: government regulation.  But I don&#039;t see how this is fixable without some government interference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but it&#8217;s not clear to me that shareholders and big investors care in the slightest.  Nor is it particularly clear why they would, at least from the economics/preferences/self-interest point of view.  If you can present a compelling argument about how this is even workable, I&#8217;m open to changing my mind.  After all, I&#8217;m not comfortable with the obvious and easy solution: government regulation.  But I don&#8217;t see how this is fixable without some government interference.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s got to be the shareholders, led by the big institutional investors....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s got to be the shareholders, led by the big institutional investors&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Bonneville</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/07/12/samuelson-on-ceo-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-64434</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Bonneville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I still say that in America, only the market can decide these issues.&lt;/i&gt;

This is a nice sentiment, Mark, but it&#039;s far from obvious &lt;i&gt;how&lt;/i&gt; the market can decide these issues.  If CEOs are effectively setting their own pay, then there really isn&#039;t much of a mechanism for the market sorting this out, other than maybe folks like you and me boycotting their firms.  But if virtually every CEO is doing this, as Samuelson suggests, we&#039;d have to blanket-boycott every firm.  That can&#039;t really be done, so I&#039;m not sure how you expect the market to take care of this problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I still say that in America, only the market can decide these issues.</i></p>
<p>This is a nice sentiment, Mark, but it&#8217;s far from obvious <i>how</i> the market can decide these issues.  If CEOs are effectively setting their own pay, then there really isn&#8217;t much of a mechanism for the market sorting this out, other than maybe folks like you and me boycotting their firms.  But if virtually every CEO is doing this, as Samuelson suggests, we&#8217;d have to blanket-boycott every firm.  That can&#8217;t really be done, so I&#8217;m not sure how you expect the market to take care of this problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Muffin the Cat</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/07/12/samuelson-on-ceo-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-64013</link>
		<dc:creator>Muffin the Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jul 2006 23:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;a moral code that justifies grabbing as much as they can&lt;/i&gt;

Are they talking about CEO pay or sports figures&#039; pay?  Anyone want to guess at what Tiger makes each year.  How about Jordan when he was at the top of his game?   Now lets look at some of the news anchors?  Don&#039;t they get paid millions and millions of dollars?  To do what?  Present the news for a half hour a day on national television.  Now there&#039;s a job that contributes to society.  Most are just a pretty face.   

I build and repair wastewater treatment plants.  I dare you not to flush your toilet.  I doubt I have made a million dollars in my 32 years of working and I have 3 college degrees, 2 bachelors and a master&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>a moral code that justifies grabbing as much as they can</i></p>
<p>Are they talking about CEO pay or sports figures&#8217; pay?  Anyone want to guess at what Tiger makes each year.  How about Jordan when he was at the top of his game?   Now lets look at some of the news anchors?  Don&#8217;t they get paid millions and millions of dollars?  To do what?  Present the news for a half hour a day on national television.  Now there&#8217;s a job that contributes to society.  Most are just a pretty face.   </p>
<p>I build and repair wastewater treatment plants.  I dare you not to flush your toilet.  I doubt I have made a million dollars in my 32 years of working and I have 3 college degrees, 2 bachelors and a master&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: dmac</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/07/12/samuelson-on-ceo-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-63913</link>
		<dc:creator>dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jul 2006 20:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always felt that Roger Enrico, the former CEO of PepsiCo, had the right idea regarding this issue. Enrico was one of the few CEO&#039;s who had actually worked his way up from the shop floor (he started as a bottler&#039;s assistant on the delivery trucks), and he used the 40x average worker&#039;s pay as the highest level by which he should be compensated. That compensation, mind you, included his stock options as well as his salary. 

No one paid any attention to him when he started criticising some the pay packages during the 90&#039;s  - and after he retired, he seems to have been entirely forgotten as one of the first CEO&#039;s to alert the pubic to the &quot;Imperial CEO&quot; mindset that was beginning to be widespread among the Fortune 500 companies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always felt that Roger Enrico, the former CEO of PepsiCo, had the right idea regarding this issue. Enrico was one of the few CEO&#8217;s who had actually worked his way up from the shop floor (he started as a bottler&#8217;s assistant on the delivery trucks), and he used the 40x average worker&#8217;s pay as the highest level by which he should be compensated. That compensation, mind you, included his stock options as well as his salary. </p>
<p>No one paid any attention to him when he started criticising some the pay packages during the 90&#8242;s  &#8211; and after he retired, he seems to have been entirely forgotten as one of the first CEO&#8217;s to alert the pubic to the &#8220;Imperial CEO&#8221; mindset that was beginning to be widespread among the Fortune 500 companies.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Vance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Vance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jul 2006 20:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Samuelson is a Grade A goofball - the Thomas Friedman of finance (in fact, I think they share the same &lt;em&gt;Moustache of Understanding&lt;/em&gt;). 

&quot;Primarily a moral failure?&quot; Good grief, Charlie Brown. &lt;i&gt;Who Moved my New Testament?&lt;/i&gt;

The best explanation of the failure of the stock option system, bar none, is in chapter 6 of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wallstreetthebook.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this book&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;i&gt;Fair warning&lt;/i&gt;: The author is a dyed-in-the-wool Marxist (that&#039;s probably why his book is downloadable for free). But his analysis is rooted in mainstream economic theory and first-hand experience on Wall Street. Just ignore the &quot;owning class&quot; claptrap in the first few paragraphs; I guarantee you&#039;ll find the rest interesting. 

Also, check out &lt;a href=&quot;http://robertreich.blogspot.com/2006/07/sec-commissioner-paul-atkins-wins.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;blockquote&gt;According to [SEC Commissioner Paul] Atkins’ logic, back-dating executive stock options, or timing them so they can be exercised just before the company issues a positive quarterly earnings report that raises share values, does create a windfall for executives. But precisely because of this windfall, companies are able to compensate their executives more cheaply. They can issue fewer stock options or provide lower salaries. So by timing stock options this way, companies end up saving money, and investors pocket the savings.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Yoiks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Samuelson is a Grade A goofball &#8211; the Thomas Friedman of finance (in fact, I think they share the same <em>Moustache of Understanding</em>). </p>
<p>&#8220;Primarily a moral failure?&#8221; Good grief, Charlie Brown. <i>Who Moved my New Testament?</i></p>
<p>The best explanation of the failure of the stock option system, bar none, is in chapter 6 of <a href="http://www.wallstreetthebook.com/" rel="nofollow">this book</a>. <i>Fair warning</i>: The author is a dyed-in-the-wool Marxist (that&#8217;s probably why his book is downloadable for free). But his analysis is rooted in mainstream economic theory and first-hand experience on Wall Street. Just ignore the &#8220;owning class&#8221; claptrap in the first few paragraphs; I guarantee you&#8217;ll find the rest interesting. </p>
<p>Also, check out <a href="http://robertreich.blogspot.com/2006/07/sec-commissioner-paul-atkins-wins.html" rel="nofollow">this</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>According to [SEC Commissioner Paul] Atkins’ logic, back-dating executive stock options, or timing them so they can be exercised just before the company issues a positive quarterly earnings report that raises share values, does create a windfall for executives. But precisely because of this windfall, companies are able to compensate their executives more cheaply. They can issue fewer stock options or provide lower salaries. So by timing stock options this way, companies end up saving money, and investors pocket the savings.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yoiks.</p>
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		<title>By: mikebdot</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikebdot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh071206.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This&lt;/a&gt; is quasi-related...I&#039;m a big fan of Somerby...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh071206.shtml" rel="nofollow">This</a> is quasi-related&#8230;I&#8217;m a big fan of Somerby&#8230;</p>
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