Comments on: The Four Pillars Of Israel’s Right To Exist http://informedspeculation.com/2006/07/31/the-four-pillars-of-israels-right-to-exist/ Refunds Cheerfully Given To All Who Disagree Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:53:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: NWO YOU WILL WORSHIP A GOLDEN CALF | Philosophers stone http://informedspeculation.com/2006/07/31/the-four-pillars-of-israels-right-to-exist/comment-page-1/#comment-713611 NWO YOU WILL WORSHIP A GOLDEN CALF | Philosophers stone Tue, 13 Jul 2010 08:37:30 +0000 http://decision08.net/2006/07/31/the-four-pillars-of-israels-right-to-exist/#comment-713611 [...] the Israeli’s were worshipping a golden calf.   Well, check out the second video and the 4 pillars mentioned by Obama are in the protocols. (Notice he does not say what those pillars, (here is one of them outlined) [...] [...] the Israeli’s were worshipping a golden calf.   Well, check out the second video and the 4 pillars mentioned by Obama are in the protocols. (Notice he does not say what those pillars, (here is one of them outlined) [...]

]]> By: ralph http://informedspeculation.com/2006/07/31/the-four-pillars-of-israels-right-to-exist/comment-page-1/#comment-629629 ralph Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:13:11 +0000 http://decision08.net/2006/07/31/the-four-pillars-of-israels-right-to-exist/#comment-629629 THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO COMPARISON WITH MEXICO. 1.ENGLISH MANDATE ON PALESTINE INCLUDED ALSO JORDAN (TRANSJORDAN). THE BRITISH GAVE IT TO KING ABDULLAH AS A REWARD FOR ITS HELP AGAINST THE TURKISH RULERS OF THE MIDDLE EAST (OTTOMANS). 2.THE REMAINING PART ,WEST BANK FROM JORDAN TO MEDITERRANEAN SEA WAS NOW PALESTINE WHICH SHOULD HAVE BEEN SHARED BY PALESTINIAN ARABS AND PALESTINIAN JEWS. 3.29 TH. NOVEMBER 1947 THE UN VOTED IN FAVOUR OF A PARTITION OF PALESTINE. THE JEWS AGREED THE ARABS NOT. MAY 14TH.1948 ISRAEL DECLARED ITS INDEPENDENCE.THE DAY AFTER THE BRITES LEFT PALESTINE AND ARAB COUNTRIES ATTACKED THE NEWBORN ISRAEL. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO COMPARISON WITH MEXICO.
1.ENGLISH MANDATE ON PALESTINE INCLUDED ALSO JORDAN (TRANSJORDAN). THE BRITISH GAVE
IT TO KING ABDULLAH AS A REWARD FOR ITS HELP AGAINST THE TURKISH RULERS OF THE MIDDLE EAST (OTTOMANS).
2.THE REMAINING PART ,WEST BANK FROM JORDAN TO MEDITERRANEAN SEA WAS NOW PALESTINE WHICH SHOULD HAVE BEEN SHARED BY PALESTINIAN ARABS AND PALESTINIAN JEWS.
3.29 TH. NOVEMBER 1947 THE UN VOTED IN FAVOUR OF A PARTITION OF PALESTINE. THE JEWS AGREED THE ARABS NOT. MAY 14TH.1948 ISRAEL DECLARED ITS INDEPENDENCE.THE DAY AFTER THE BRITES LEFT PALESTINE AND ARAB COUNTRIES ATTACKED THE NEWBORN ISRAEL.

]]> By: Mark http://informedspeculation.com/2006/07/31/the-four-pillars-of-israels-right-to-exist/comment-page-1/#comment-72807 Mark Sun, 06 Aug 2006 17:31:01 +0000 http://decision08.net/2006/07/31/the-four-pillars-of-israels-right-to-exist/#comment-72807 Look, I'm certainly not going to defend our treatment of Native Americans...we should have handled things differently. Do two wrongs make a right?... Look, I’m certainly not going to defend our treatment of Native Americans…we should have handled things differently. Do two wrongs make a right?…

]]> By: slophry http://informedspeculation.com/2006/07/31/the-four-pillars-of-israels-right-to-exist/comment-page-1/#comment-72805 slophry Sun, 06 Aug 2006 17:27:03 +0000 http://decision08.net/2006/07/31/the-four-pillars-of-israels-right-to-exist/#comment-72805 If you believe that the Jewish people have a right to the land based upon a homeland argument, then you must also agree that the U.S. should give back the land to the Native Americans or at the least give them a state. Are the Jewish Americans ready to give up thier homes to the Native Americans? Probably not. Peace to all. If you believe that the Jewish people have a right to the land based upon a homeland argument, then you must also agree that the U.S. should give back the land to the Native Americans or at the least give them a state. Are the Jewish Americans ready to give up thier homes to the Native Americans? Probably not. Peace to all.

]]> By: megapotamus http://informedspeculation.com/2006/07/31/the-four-pillars-of-israels-right-to-exist/comment-page-1/#comment-71612 megapotamus Tue, 01 Aug 2006 21:09:47 +0000 http://decision08.net/2006/07/31/the-four-pillars-of-israels-right-to-exist/#comment-71612 Left out is that Israel is the ONLY Jewish nation on the earth and many, many others are actively hostile, even openly (more often covertly) murderous to Jews "wherever you find them". Jews were driven out of Iraq, Iran, Jordan, Syria, Egypt and a host of lesser entities. The Palestinians so called could and should be able to settle and prosper in any of these other nations, especially as they were nomadic overwhelmingly if we are going back to the historical claims Mike seems to want to explore. But to hell with all that... Israel is a decent polity. The closest thing the Arab world has to offer is Jordan, excepting the nascent Iraqi state. Why should we expend blood and treasure, Mike? Because these jackasses are coming for US, meaning YOU if they may. How can you not know that? What a disgrace. But of course the first person interests are not all there are, to decent people. Left out is that Israel is the ONLY Jewish nation on the earth and many, many others are actively hostile, even openly (more often covertly) murderous to Jews “wherever you find them”. Jews were driven out of Iraq, Iran, Jordan, Syria, Egypt and a host of lesser entities. The Palestinians so called could and should be able to settle and prosper in any of these other nations, especially as they were nomadic overwhelmingly if we are going back to the historical claims Mike seems to want to explore. But to hell with all that… Israel is a decent polity. The closest thing the Arab world has to offer is Jordan, excepting the nascent Iraqi state. Why should we expend blood and treasure, Mike? Because these jackasses are coming for US, meaning YOU if they may. How can you not know that? What a disgrace. But of course the first person interests are not all there are, to decent people.

]]> By: GINA COBB http://informedspeculation.com/2006/07/31/the-four-pillars-of-israels-right-to-exist/comment-page-1/#comment-71590 GINA COBB Tue, 01 Aug 2006 20:39:19 +0000 http://decision08.net/2006/07/31/the-four-pillars-of-israels-right-to-exist/#comment-71590 <strong>Tuesday's Best of the Best</strong> There are lots of great columns, articles, editorials, blog posts and more out there again today. Here are some of today's best of the best. (Check back for updates.) Dennis Prager, RealClearPolitics.com, 'World Opinion' Is Worthless It's when worl... Tuesday’s Best of the Best

There are lots of great columns, articles, editorials, blog posts and more out there again today. Here are some of today’s best of the best. (Check back for updates.) Dennis Prager, RealClearPolitics.com, ‘World Opinion’ Is Worthless It’s when worl…

]]> By: Ryan Bonneville http://informedspeculation.com/2006/07/31/the-four-pillars-of-israels-right-to-exist/comment-page-1/#comment-71537 Ryan Bonneville Tue, 01 Aug 2006 14:04:58 +0000 http://decision08.net/2006/07/31/the-four-pillars-of-israels-right-to-exist/#comment-71537 I'll agree with Mike that our obligation to help Israel is not sold properly at all. A lot of this has to do with the fact that so much of the progressive left and the isolationist/realpolitik right want to suppress the idea that we might have moral duties to other countries. The far left essentially believes that all cultures deserve equal respect and choosing Israel over Iran is illegitimate, whereas elements of the right either want us to ignore the rest of the world (see Pat Buchanan) or weigh everything we do in the crucible of self-interest (pick your favorite: Scowcroft, Kissinger, etc.). For both of these groups, it's absolutely unthinkable for someone to say Israel is better than its neighbors and a force for good in the world. If we could just say to the American people that Israel is a freedom-loving place that is at the mercy of marauding terrorists and other such barbaric monsters 24/7, and that what they would like more than anything is to have such "small" concerns as figuring out how to provide for a family (as opposed to the ones about how to keep a family from exploding), I think we could make some headway. As to your other point, Mike, I don't agree that just anyone has a right to self-determination. The Confederate states had no right to leave the Union and we showed them exactly what we thought of their "opinion". I am willing to concede that different circumstances require different answers, and I am also a supporter of the so-called two-state solution, so that might not mean a lot. But the question is certainly more complex than mealy-mouthed UN nonsense would have you believe. I’ll agree with Mike that our obligation to help Israel is not sold properly at all. A lot of this has to do with the fact that so much of the progressive left and the isolationist/realpolitik right want to suppress the idea that we might have moral duties to other countries. The far left essentially believes that all cultures deserve equal respect and choosing Israel over Iran is illegitimate, whereas elements of the right either want us to ignore the rest of the world (see Pat Buchanan) or weigh everything we do in the crucible of self-interest (pick your favorite: Scowcroft, Kissinger, etc.). For both of these groups, it’s absolutely unthinkable for someone to say Israel is better than its neighbors and a force for good in the world. If we could just say to the American people that Israel is a freedom-loving place that is at the mercy of marauding terrorists and other such barbaric monsters 24/7, and that what they would like more than anything is to have such “small” concerns as figuring out how to provide for a family (as opposed to the ones about how to keep a family from exploding), I think we could make some headway.

As to your other point, Mike, I don’t agree that just anyone has a right to self-determination. The Confederate states had no right to leave the Union and we showed them exactly what we thought of their “opinion”. I am willing to concede that different circumstances require different answers, and I am also a supporter of the so-called two-state solution, so that might not mean a lot. But the question is certainly more complex than mealy-mouthed UN nonsense would have you believe.

]]> By: mikebdot http://informedspeculation.com/2006/07/31/the-four-pillars-of-israels-right-to-exist/comment-page-1/#comment-71536 mikebdot Tue, 01 Aug 2006 13:53:06 +0000 http://decision08.net/2006/07/31/the-four-pillars-of-israels-right-to-exist/#comment-71536 Also, it does state "one of the oldest known". The others include some that did recognize other gods as enemies to be killed by the 'one' god. Etc. I just wanted to make clear that there were indeed others that were very similar to a monotheism. Oh, as it turns out, you said nothing about monotheism anyway. I think I'm senile. As a side point, I have terrible reading comprehension (as you may have noticed from other threads). I only got a 620 on my verbal SATs. When you have no idea what any of the twleve words means (or parts of speech they are a part of) in the analogy section, you know it's going to be a long day...Thank god I'm good at math. :) Also, it does state “one of the oldest known”. The others include some that did recognize other gods as enemies to be killed by the ‘one’ god. Etc. I just wanted to make clear that there were indeed others that were very similar to a monotheism. Oh, as it turns out, you said nothing about monotheism anyway. I think I’m senile.

As a side point, I have terrible reading comprehension (as you may have noticed from other threads). I only got a 620 on my verbal SATs. When you have no idea what any of the twleve words means (or parts of speech they are a part of) in the analogy section, you know it’s going to be a long day…Thank god I’m good at math. :)

]]> By: mikebdot http://informedspeculation.com/2006/07/31/the-four-pillars-of-israels-right-to-exist/comment-page-1/#comment-71535 mikebdot Tue, 01 Aug 2006 13:47:12 +0000 http://decision08.net/2006/07/31/the-four-pillars-of-israels-right-to-exist/#comment-71535 Mark, it was just the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monotheism" rel="nofollow">wikipedia</a> link. Sorry, didn't check it. Mark, it was just the wikipedia link. Sorry, didn’t check it.

]]> By: mikebdot http://informedspeculation.com/2006/07/31/the-four-pillars-of-israels-right-to-exist/comment-page-1/#comment-71534 mikebdot Tue, 01 Aug 2006 13:45:56 +0000 http://decision08.net/2006/07/31/the-four-pillars-of-israels-right-to-exist/#comment-71534 Furthermore, Roni is just way off in his assessment about the Palestinians. There were not even 100,000 Jews in the British Mandate of Palestine in 1922 and there were over 500,000 Muslims, then, in a matter of 20 years in was 500,000 and 1,000,000, respectively. That is an enormous demographic shift in 20 years and it is completely understandable to me why the Arab population might have been a bit angry because of this. The Palestinians/Arabs in the area [most was being sold by absentee Arab landholders, who, as it turns out, were in it for the money] had very little say in how many Jews were being allowed into this territory. Then, some organization (the U.N.) allows the Jewish population to have a country? It would be like allowing 135,000,000 Mexicans into the US in 20 years (which is pretty well impossible as Mexico only contains 107,000,000 people...) and then giving them a chunk of the country. To pretend that these events did not occur is to do a great disservice to the discussion being had. Furthermore, Roni is just way off in his assessment about the Palestinians. There were not even 100,000 Jews in the British Mandate of Palestine in 1922 and there were over 500,000 Muslims, then, in a matter of 20 years in was 500,000 and 1,000,000, respectively. That is an enormous demographic shift in 20 years and it is completely understandable to me why the Arab population might have been a bit angry because of this. The Palestinians/Arabs in the area [most was being sold by absentee Arab landholders, who, as it turns out, were in it for the money] had very little say in how many Jews were being allowed into this territory. Then, some organization (the U.N.) allows the Jewish population to have a country? It would be like allowing 135,000,000 Mexicans into the US in 20 years (which is pretty well impossible as Mexico only contains 107,000,000 people…) and then giving them a chunk of the country.

To pretend that these events did not occur is to do a great disservice to the discussion being had.

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