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		<title>By: Jaime Raúl Molina</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/08/01/carter-blames-israel-again/comment-page-1/#comment-71714</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaime Raúl Molina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 04:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;PS - The dictionary definition of terrorism is:

The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

Sorry to say, both sides are doing it now. (Haifa, Lebanese Power Plants and Grain Silos, etc.) And both still are giving each other excuses to do so (security, occupation, hostages/prisoners, etc.). Worst of all, our American government is supporting the tactic.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That definition is as ambiguos as it can be.  It defines nothing.  It just let anyone apply the term to anything.  Under that definition, if cornered and threatened by a mugger in the street, I have to draw my gun to make it clear I mean business, then I am using a terrorist tactic.  Because, obviously, it is my intention to DISSUADE the mugger from continuing his threat.  That is the precise objective of DISSUATION or DETERRENCE.  Deterrence only works precisely because I am conveying the attacker the message that if he continues his threat against me, he will suffer badly.  The idea is to convince him that in the net balance, he will come out losing instead of winning, so that he then decides it&#039;s just not worth it.

If you are gonna say that any use of this deterrence principle amounts to terrorism, as your dictionary definition amounts to, then the word loses any meaning.  Then whenever I punish my kid because of bad behaviour, I am a terrorist.  Then you and I are no different from islamofascists who blow themselves up and tens of innocent people, just because they hate Jews and Americans and basically anybody who does not submit to their totalitarian views.  That moral relativism I cannot accept.

Now, going back to reality: Hezbollah initiated the attacks.  Israel has the right to defend themselves.  You have only to take a look at the fact that in the Middle East no country that has never thrown a bomb, rocket, or patronized terrorist attacks on Israel, has ever suffered bombings or retaliation by Israel.  You want peace from me?  Right.  Just don&#039;t try to kill me or my kids, or to take what&#039;s mine, and you will never have to worry about my gun being even pointed at you.  But as soon as you start threatening my life or my family&#039;s life or property, I am in survival gear and have an absolute right to defend myself from aggresion, using deadly force if that is necessary.  And that who uses force only to defend himself from aggression, has a moral position very high above that of the aggressor.

Don&#039;t believe me?  Check your Bible.  No God has ever expected their sheep to willingly accept their execution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;PS &#8211; The dictionary definition of terrorism is:</p>
<p>The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.</p>
<p>Sorry to say, both sides are doing it now. (Haifa, Lebanese Power Plants and Grain Silos, etc.) And both still are giving each other excuses to do so (security, occupation, hostages/prisoners, etc.). Worst of all, our American government is supporting the tactic.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>That definition is as ambiguos as it can be.  It defines nothing.  It just let anyone apply the term to anything.  Under that definition, if cornered and threatened by a mugger in the street, I have to draw my gun to make it clear I mean business, then I am using a terrorist tactic.  Because, obviously, it is my intention to DISSUADE the mugger from continuing his threat.  That is the precise objective of DISSUATION or DETERRENCE.  Deterrence only works precisely because I am conveying the attacker the message that if he continues his threat against me, he will suffer badly.  The idea is to convince him that in the net balance, he will come out losing instead of winning, so that he then decides it&#8217;s just not worth it.</p>
<p>If you are gonna say that any use of this deterrence principle amounts to terrorism, as your dictionary definition amounts to, then the word loses any meaning.  Then whenever I punish my kid because of bad behaviour, I am a terrorist.  Then you and I are no different from islamofascists who blow themselves up and tens of innocent people, just because they hate Jews and Americans and basically anybody who does not submit to their totalitarian views.  That moral relativism I cannot accept.</p>
<p>Now, going back to reality: Hezbollah initiated the attacks.  Israel has the right to defend themselves.  You have only to take a look at the fact that in the Middle East no country that has never thrown a bomb, rocket, or patronized terrorist attacks on Israel, has ever suffered bombings or retaliation by Israel.  You want peace from me?  Right.  Just don&#8217;t try to kill me or my kids, or to take what&#8217;s mine, and you will never have to worry about my gun being even pointed at you.  But as soon as you start threatening my life or my family&#8217;s life or property, I am in survival gear and have an absolute right to defend myself from aggresion, using deadly force if that is necessary.  And that who uses force only to defend himself from aggression, has a moral position very high above that of the aggressor.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t believe me?  Check your Bible.  No God has ever expected their sheep to willingly accept their execution.</p>
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		<title>By: ASensibleGuy</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/08/01/carter-blames-israel-again/comment-page-1/#comment-71623</link>
		<dc:creator>ASensibleGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 21:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, you all.  On main point, Carter&#039;s right.  As anyone who&#039;s ever been a kid knows, just because he/she did that to you doesn&#039;t mean that it was right for you to do that to them.

C&#039;mon guys/gals.  Both sides shouldn&#039;t give each other any room for an excuse for their respectively deplorable actions.  It doesn&#039;t take a genius to figure out that a full scope political settlement is required, including the Palestinian problem.  These continuing attempts at pressuring each other&#039; s leadership to make a political move by harming its citizens/followers does nothing but build militancy and further the distance from the ultimate goal of a sustainable peace.

PS - The dictionary definition of terrorism is:

The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

Sorry to say, both sides are doing it now.  (Haifa, Lebanese Power Plants and Grain Silos, etc.)  And both still are giving each other excuses to do so (security, occupation, hostages/prisoners, etc.).  Worst of all, our American government is supporting the tactic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, you all.  On main point, Carter&#8217;s right.  As anyone who&#8217;s ever been a kid knows, just because he/she did that to you doesn&#8217;t mean that it was right for you to do that to them.</p>
<p>C&#8217;mon guys/gals.  Both sides shouldn&#8217;t give each other any room for an excuse for their respectively deplorable actions.  It doesn&#8217;t take a genius to figure out that a full scope political settlement is required, including the Palestinian problem.  These continuing attempts at pressuring each other&#8217; s leadership to make a political move by harming its citizens/followers does nothing but build militancy and further the distance from the ultimate goal of a sustainable peace.</p>
<p>PS &#8211; The dictionary definition of terrorism is:</p>
<p>The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.</p>
<p>Sorry to say, both sides are doing it now.  (Haifa, Lebanese Power Plants and Grain Silos, etc.)  And both still are giving each other excuses to do so (security, occupation, hostages/prisoners, etc.).  Worst of all, our American government is supporting the tactic.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/08/01/carter-blames-israel-again/comment-page-1/#comment-71618</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 21:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, we&#039;ll just have to agree to disagree on this one, as they say in the big leagues - my interpretation is that Carter was saying it was the British who forced the Revolutionary War with their bullheadedness and intransigence, and I have a hard time disagreeing with him

Honest people can differ, of course!...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, we&#8217;ll just have to agree to disagree on this one, as they say in the big leagues &#8211; my interpretation is that Carter was saying it was the British who forced the Revolutionary War with their bullheadedness and intransigence, and I have a hard time disagreeing with him</p>
<p>Honest people can differ, of course!&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: megapotamus</title>
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		<dc:creator>megapotamus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 21:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Mark, no sale. The Canadian to Commonweal bits blow that out of the water. All that mealy-mouthism amounts to, what they call in the biz, a Mighty Big &quot;IF&quot;.

When will you fools learn to just BELIEVE ME!?!?!?!?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Mark, no sale. The Canadian to Commonweal bits blow that out of the water. All that mealy-mouthism amounts to, what they call in the biz, a Mighty Big &#8220;IF&#8221;.</p>
<p>When will you fools learn to just BELIEVE ME!?!?!?!?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 20:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;CARTER: Well, one parallel is that the Revolutionary War, more than any other war up until recently, has been the most bloody war we‘ve fought. I think another parallel is that in some ways the Revolutionary War could have been avoided. It was an unnecessary war.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The Civil War made the Revolutionary War look like a skirmish. That&#039;s not recent.

Jimmy was not only a miserable president and currently a miserable ex-president, he also lacks any historical knowledge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>CARTER: Well, one parallel is that the Revolutionary War, more than any other war up until recently, has been the most bloody war we‘ve fought. I think another parallel is that in some ways the Revolutionary War could have been avoided. It was an unnecessary war.</p></blockquote>
<p>The Civil War made the Revolutionary War look like a skirmish. That&#8217;s not recent.</p>
<p>Jimmy was not only a miserable president and currently a miserable ex-president, he also lacks any historical knowledge.</p>
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		<title>By: PartisanTimes.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>PartisanTimes.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 19:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The Protocols Of The Elder Carter&lt;/strong&gt;

From the jumbled mind of Jimmy Carter comes the most incoherent argument on the Islamo-Israeli Conflict ever published by the Washington Post; indeed, Band-Aid Treatment alone cannot begin to hold this piece together. Apparently, Jimmy wants to remind ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The Protocols Of The Elder Carter</strong></p>
<p>From the jumbled mind of Jimmy Carter comes the most incoherent argument on the Islamo-Israeli Conflict ever published by the Washington Post; indeed, Band-Aid Treatment alone cannot begin to hold this piece together. Apparently, Jimmy wants to remind &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 17:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mega, I have to (gulp!) take up for Carter on this one (I know, I know).  He really was implying it was unnessary &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6281085/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;because of the ignorance of the British&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;em&gt;...[I]n some ways the Revolutionary War could have been avoided.  It was an unnecessary war.

Had the British Parliament been a little more sensitive to the colonial‘s really legitimate complaints and requests the war could have been avoided completely, and of course now we would have been a free country now as is Canada and India and Australia, having gotten our independence in a nonviolent way. 

I think in many ways the British were very misled in going to war against America and in trying to enforce their will on people who were quite different from them at the time.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mega, I have to (gulp!) take up for Carter on this one (I know, I know).  He really was implying it was unnessary <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6281085/" rel="nofollow">because of the ignorance of the British</a>:</p>
<p><em>&#8230;[I]n some ways the Revolutionary War could have been avoided.  It was an unnecessary war.</p>
<p>Had the British Parliament been a little more sensitive to the colonial‘s really legitimate complaints and requests the war could have been avoided completely, and of course now we would have been a free country now as is Canada and India and Australia, having gotten our independence in a nonviolent way. </p>
<p>I think in many ways the British were very misled in going to war against America and in trying to enforce their will on people who were quite different from them at the time.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 17:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep he said so back in October 2004 on Hardball. Here&#039;s a snippet of the conversation. (Notice Matthews ridiculous question trying to draw a moral equivalency between the patriots fighting in the American Revolution and the civilian attacking cowards that the liberals call &quot;Iraqi insurgents&quot;. I don&#039;t recall one story about American soldiers slipping into civilian clothes and using bombs against British soldiers in densely populated town squares with lots of innocent people around.)

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MATTHEWS:  Let me ask you the question about—this is going to cause some trouble with people—but as an historian now and studying the Revolutionary War as it was fought out in the South in those last years of the War, insurgency against a powerful British force, do you see any parallels between the fighting that we did on our side and the fighting that is going on in Iraq today?

CARTER:  Well, one parallel is that the Revolutionary War, more than any other war up until recently, has been the most bloody war we‘ve fought.  I think another parallel is that in some ways the Revolutionary War could have been avoided.  It was an unnecessary war. 

Had the British Parliament been a little more sensitive to the colonial‘s really legitimate complaints and requests the war could have been avoided completely, and of course now we would have been a free country now as is Canada and India and Australia, having gotten our independence in a nonviolent way.  

I think in many ways the British were very misled in going to war against America and in trying to enforce their will on people who were quite different from them at the time.

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If you want to see it all here is the link:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6281085/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6281085/&lt;/a&gt;

I am from the great state of Georgia and I can say that I am honestly ashamed this weak minded appeaser hails from my home state. Lots of other Georgians feel the same way. We live in a great state but Jimmy Carter is proof that we aren&#039;t a perfect place and we can&#039;t always turn out good people.

Go frame a house Jimmy!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep he said so back in October 2004 on Hardball. Here&#8217;s a snippet of the conversation. (Notice Matthews ridiculous question trying to draw a moral equivalency between the patriots fighting in the American Revolution and the civilian attacking cowards that the liberals call &#8220;Iraqi insurgents&#8221;. I don&#8217;t recall one story about American soldiers slipping into civilian clothes and using bombs against British soldiers in densely populated town squares with lots of innocent people around.)</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>MATTHEWS:  Let me ask you the question about—this is going to cause some trouble with people—but as an historian now and studying the Revolutionary War as it was fought out in the South in those last years of the War, insurgency against a powerful British force, do you see any parallels between the fighting that we did on our side and the fighting that is going on in Iraq today?</p>
<p>CARTER:  Well, one parallel is that the Revolutionary War, more than any other war up until recently, has been the most bloody war we‘ve fought.  I think another parallel is that in some ways the Revolutionary War could have been avoided.  It was an unnecessary war. </p>
<p>Had the British Parliament been a little more sensitive to the colonial‘s really legitimate complaints and requests the war could have been avoided completely, and of course now we would have been a free country now as is Canada and India and Australia, having gotten our independence in a nonviolent way.  </p>
<p>I think in many ways the British were very misled in going to war against America and in trying to enforce their will on people who were quite different from them at the time.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>If you want to see it all here is the link:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6281085/" rel="nofollow">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6281085/</a></p>
<p>I am from the great state of Georgia and I can say that I am honestly ashamed this weak minded appeaser hails from my home state. Lots of other Georgians feel the same way. We live in a great state but Jimmy Carter is proof that we aren&#8217;t a perfect place and we can&#8217;t always turn out good people.</p>
<p>Go frame a house Jimmy!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 17:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn&#039;t Carter do enough harm to America with his double-digit interest rates and lame foreign policy when he was president?  Carter makes Clinton look good.  What an embarrassment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t Carter do enough harm to America with his double-digit interest rates and lame foreign policy when he was president?  Carter makes Clinton look good.  What an embarrassment.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan, 

Let us know what you come up with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan, </p>
<p>Let us know what you come up with.</p>
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