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		<title>By: mtl</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/08/22/soviet-style-attempted-purge-of-lieberman-continues/comment-page-1/#comment-78771</link>
		<dc:creator>mtl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2006 04:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking thru an independent prism at all the &#039;sanctions&#039; the progressives want to levy at Joe (against the backdrop of the adults discussing sanctions for Iran) and the aggressive attempts to disavow Joe from the democratic party, especially by Kos and &#039;sqwattingdogonfire&#039;, I can&#039;t help but admire their ability to cut their noses off to spite their faces.

Each threat that gets bandied in the press, bolsters joe amongst independents.  Even though CT is left-leaning, I have a strong feeling that a majority of the voters still hold their noses and make the choice of lesser of two evils.  If Lieberman is an independent, it gives them a chance to let both parties know where they stand.  Thier vitriol is completely counterproductive if they are trying to keep voters home, especially independent voters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking thru an independent prism at all the &#8217;sanctions&#8217; the progressives want to levy at Joe (against the backdrop of the adults discussing sanctions for Iran) and the aggressive attempts to disavow Joe from the democratic party, especially by Kos and &#8217;sqwattingdogonfire&#8217;, I can&#8217;t help but admire their ability to cut their noses off to spite their faces.</p>
<p>Each threat that gets bandied in the press, bolsters joe amongst independents.  Even though CT is left-leaning, I have a strong feeling that a majority of the voters still hold their noses and make the choice of lesser of two evils.  If Lieberman is an independent, it gives them a chance to let both parties know where they stand.  Thier vitriol is completely counterproductive if they are trying to keep voters home, especially independent voters.</p>
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		<title>By: mtl</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/08/22/soviet-style-attempted-purge-of-lieberman-continues/comment-page-1/#comment-78672</link>
		<dc:creator>mtl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 22:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>actually Lieberman is non-affiliated.

worth noting that if he wins, it will be a huge rejection by the moderates of both parties.  The gop is used to that in CT, but for dems:

It may show voters will reject party over a person, even in the extremely liberal state of CT.

Independent trumping democratic party-says a lot about the left&#039;s cohesiveness.

The brouhaha about Liebermann not being a democrat is going to be extremely useful for Joe.  The left is helping him, by saying he is not one of them, saving him the trouble of having to distance himself in the eyes of independent moderate voters, and risk alienating his democratic supporters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>actually Lieberman is non-affiliated.</p>
<p>worth noting that if he wins, it will be a huge rejection by the moderates of both parties.  The gop is used to that in CT, but for dems:</p>
<p>It may show voters will reject party over a person, even in the extremely liberal state of CT.</p>
<p>Independent trumping democratic party-says a lot about the left&#8217;s cohesiveness.</p>
<p>The brouhaha about Liebermann not being a democrat is going to be extremely useful for Joe.  The left is helping him, by saying he is not one of them, saving him the trouble of having to distance himself in the eyes of independent moderate voters, and risk alienating his democratic supporters.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Bonneville</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/08/22/soviet-style-attempted-purge-of-lieberman-continues/comment-page-1/#comment-78660</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Bonneville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 21:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I assume it doesn&#039;t actually need to be said, but Independent isn&#039;t a party.  It is quite the opposite, in which case self-nomination seems rather appropriate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I assume it doesn&#8217;t actually need to be said, but Independent isn&#8217;t a party.  It is quite the opposite, in which case self-nomination seems rather appropriate.</p>
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		<title>By: mtl</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/08/22/soviet-style-attempted-purge-of-lieberman-continues/comment-page-1/#comment-78638</link>
		<dc:creator>mtl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a fair compromise might be the &#039;purple thumb&#039; method, no ID, but also no multiple voting.  Alas, then a dem would argue that someone with naturally purple fingers is being discriminated against, and those that do not vote might be discriminated against by those who have &#039;purple thumbs-marked by the government&#039;.

That our govt is not even willing to prevent voter fraud says  all that needs to be said in regards to their commitment to true equality.  The people who run around in urban precincts are violating the virtue of our system-

one person, one vote.  (Not to be confused with the framer&#039;s intent, &#039;one white male owning land, one vote.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a fair compromise might be the &#8216;purple thumb&#8217; method, no ID, but also no multiple voting.  Alas, then a dem would argue that someone with naturally purple fingers is being discriminated against, and those that do not vote might be discriminated against by those who have &#8216;purple thumbs-marked by the government&#8217;.</p>
<p>That our govt is not even willing to prevent voter fraud says  all that needs to be said in regards to their commitment to true equality.  The people who run around in urban precincts are violating the virtue of our system-</p>
<p>one person, one vote.  (Not to be confused with the framer&#8217;s intent, &#8216;one white male owning land, one vote.)</p>
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		<title>By: mtl</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/08/22/soviet-style-attempted-purge-of-lieberman-continues/comment-page-1/#comment-78637</link>
		<dc:creator>mtl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 19:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that is more correct, &#039;nebulous&#039; is simply more polite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that is more correct, &#8216;nebulous&#8217; is simply more polite.</p>
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		<title>By: Di in CT</title>
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		<dc:creator>Di in CT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 19:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, let the people vote, but let&#039;s be honest.   Joe Lieberman is not the Independent candidate.   The Democratic Party nominated Ned Lamont, the Republican Party nomimated Schlesinger, and the Independent Party didn&#039;t nominate anyone.   Joe Lieberman made up his own party &#039;Connecticut for Leiberman&#039; and nominated himself!    Joe is a sore loser.  He is not a Democrat, he is definitely not an Independent.  Republican?  Close enough!   But really, just Joe Leiberman (CFL)!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, let the people vote, but let&#8217;s be honest.   Joe Lieberman is not the Independent candidate.   The Democratic Party nominated Ned Lamont, the Republican Party nomimated Schlesinger, and the Independent Party didn&#8217;t nominate anyone.   Joe Lieberman made up his own party &#8216;Connecticut for Leiberman&#8217; and nominated himself!    Joe is a sore loser.  He is not a Democrat, he is definitely not an Independent.  Republican?  Close enough!   But really, just Joe Leiberman (CFL)!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Bonneville</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Bonneville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 19:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mtl, let&#039;s be clear about one thing: In the sense you (we) are using it, &quot;nebulous&quot; = &quot;bull****.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mtl, let&#8217;s be clear about one thing: In the sense you (we) are using it, &#8220;nebulous&#8221; = &#8220;bull****.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: mtl</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/08/22/soviet-style-attempted-purge-of-lieberman-continues/comment-page-1/#comment-78617</link>
		<dc:creator>mtl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 18:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Imagine if you had to show an ID to get food stamps...

Dems would make the argument that it is &#039;restrictive&#039;.  A conservative would make the argument that it would keep people from selling their food stamps to crack dealers who have no trouble using the stamps without ID.

the classic &#039;restrictive&#039; v. fraud prevention argument.

nebulous personal freedom versus concrete financial results/savings...it should be a no brainer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imagine if you had to show an ID to get food stamps&#8230;</p>
<p>Dems would make the argument that it is &#8216;restrictive&#8217;.  A conservative would make the argument that it would keep people from selling their food stamps to crack dealers who have no trouble using the stamps without ID.</p>
<p>the classic &#8216;restrictive&#8217; v. fraud prevention argument.</p>
<p>nebulous personal freedom versus concrete financial results/savings&#8230;it should be a no brainer.</p>
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		<title>By: mtl</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/08/22/soviet-style-attempted-purge-of-lieberman-continues/comment-page-1/#comment-78613</link>
		<dc:creator>mtl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 18:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>voter fraud has about as much chance of being addressed by democrats, as terrorism does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>voter fraud has about as much chance of being addressed by democrats, as terrorism does.</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 18:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, I would agree with you there -- I don&#039;t think it&#039;s burdensome to be required to get a photo ID, but I do think it should be available for free --

But then again people from Indiana are so much more reasonable than people from elsewhere -- I never met anyone from Indiana I didn&#039;t like --</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, I would agree with you there &#8212; I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s burdensome to be required to get a photo ID, but I do think it should be available for free &#8211;</p>
<p>But then again people from Indiana are so much more reasonable than people from elsewhere &#8212; I never met anyone from Indiana I didn&#8217;t like &#8211;</p>
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