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		<title>By: Mind of Mog &#187; Rummy Resigns</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/10/02/more-woodwardbad-news-for-rumsfeld/comment-page-1/#comment-133236</link>
		<dc:creator>Mind of Mog &#187; Rummy Resigns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 20:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] It should be no surprise after the House was gutted of Republicans. Only surprise is that Bush let him. He has tried before. Bush called Rumsfeld a trusted friend and patriot who had served his country well. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] It should be no surprise after the House was gutted of Republicans. Only surprise is that Bush let him. He has tried before. Bush called Rumsfeld a trusted friend and patriot who had served his country well. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/10/02/more-woodwardbad-news-for-rumsfeld/comment-page-1/#comment-102682</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, of course, I appreciate that your opinion is coming from actual experience in Iraq, so far be it from me to argue with you.  My viewpoint is necessarily one that is gathered from whatever I can glean from magazines, books, news reports, etc., so I appreciate you sharing that with us...

And you&#039;re right, we do miss Chrenkoff...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, of course, I appreciate that your opinion is coming from actual experience in Iraq, so far be it from me to argue with you.  My viewpoint is necessarily one that is gathered from whatever I can glean from magazines, books, news reports, etc., so I appreciate you sharing that with us&#8230;</p>
<p>And you&#8217;re right, we do miss Chrenkoff&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 19:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, I actually think I know the reason for your and fellow compatriot&#039;s maliase &amp; pessimism.  

It&#039;s been a long ime since you&#039;ve taken a daily dose of &quot;Good News From Iraq&quot;.  We don&#039;t need to find a replacement for Rummy, we need a replacement for CHRENKOFF!!! 8)

As you know, I recently returned from Iraq after a year.  If you think that we were lean &amp; mean, brother, you have no idea what&#039;s coming down the pipeline.  We are gathering so much lessons learned that it will take years to test, validate &amp; incorporate them into our doctrine.  Clauswitz would be so jealous. 

Rumsfeld was correct when he more or less said you deal with the army you inherit.  To his credit, he isn&#039;t/hasn&#039;t thrown up his hands in hopeless frustration.  

Transformation is simply the biggest thing to ever happen to a legacy infrastructure.  It would be tough to do even in a peacetime environment.  Without a doubt, just as IT has transformed many businesses, the military is likewise leveraging that in ways unimagined for most folks even a few years ago.  

Bottomline, if it wasn&#039;t for Rumsfeld&#039;s resoluteness in transformation, the younger cream of the crop wouldn&#039;t have been able to flow their innovative ideas up the chain.  Instead, the DOD would have reverted to their complacent &quot;paleo-Powellian&quot; might thru large forces mantra.  

Normally I would agree with the notion that change for the sake of a fresh face can be good.  But in this case, more particularily when one evaluates the alternate candidates, better to stick with the &#039;progressive&#039; guy at the top.  Of course there will be hits and misses--along with varying mileages--but until one actually tries, you just don&#039;t know what works or doesn&#039;t.  

As for myself, I&#039;d rather go with the leader that allows and empowers individuals to try anything and fail, than one where everyone is afraid of the bold &amp; unorthodox.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, I actually think I know the reason for your and fellow compatriot&#8217;s maliase &amp; pessimism.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s been a long ime since you&#8217;ve taken a daily dose of &#8220;Good News From Iraq&#8221;.  We don&#8217;t need to find a replacement for Rummy, we need a replacement for CHRENKOFF!!! <img src='http://informedspeculation.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>As you know, I recently returned from Iraq after a year.  If you think that we were lean &amp; mean, brother, you have no idea what&#8217;s coming down the pipeline.  We are gathering so much lessons learned that it will take years to test, validate &amp; incorporate them into our doctrine.  Clauswitz would be so jealous. </p>
<p>Rumsfeld was correct when he more or less said you deal with the army you inherit.  To his credit, he isn&#8217;t/hasn&#8217;t thrown up his hands in hopeless frustration.  </p>
<p>Transformation is simply the biggest thing to ever happen to a legacy infrastructure.  It would be tough to do even in a peacetime environment.  Without a doubt, just as IT has transformed many businesses, the military is likewise leveraging that in ways unimagined for most folks even a few years ago.  </p>
<p>Bottomline, if it wasn&#8217;t for Rumsfeld&#8217;s resoluteness in transformation, the younger cream of the crop wouldn&#8217;t have been able to flow their innovative ideas up the chain.  Instead, the DOD would have reverted to their complacent &#8220;paleo-Powellian&#8221; might thru large forces mantra.  </p>
<p>Normally I would agree with the notion that change for the sake of a fresh face can be good.  But in this case, more particularily when one evaluates the alternate candidates, better to stick with the &#8216;progressive&#8217; guy at the top.  Of course there will be hits and misses&#8211;along with varying mileages&#8211;but until one actually tries, you just don&#8217;t know what works or doesn&#8217;t.  </p>
<p>As for myself, I&#8217;d rather go with the leader that allows and empowers individuals to try anything and fail, than one where everyone is afraid of the bold &amp; unorthodox.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 14:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AE, thanks for that clarification - I know Rumsfeld&#039;s your guy, so it pains me to be critical (I like the guy, on a personal level - you know how it goes)...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AE, thanks for that clarification &#8211; I know Rumsfeld&#8217;s your guy, so it pains me to be critical (I like the guy, on a personal level &#8211; you know how it goes)&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mtl</title>
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		<dc:creator>mtl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 04:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;How long does the party of “stay the course, even although we have brought things to this violent, fractured, unpromising, unending situation,” deserve my vote?&quot;

using the phrase &#039;stay the course&#039; for opponents of the war is a cop out.

We have changed strategy and assets so many times that what is lost in the phrase is that there have been hundreds of decisons with postive and negative results. 


Bush using the phrase-stay the course-is basically saying we chnage as quickly as we can to adapt.

An opponent of the war-using &#039;stay the course&#039;-means they don&#039;t know any specifics and are trying to appear up to speed.
Can anyone explain to me what &#039;stay the course&#039; actually  means to them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;How long does the party of “stay the course, even although we have brought things to this violent, fractured, unpromising, unending situation,” deserve my vote?&#8221;</p>
<p>using the phrase &#8216;stay the course&#8217; for opponents of the war is a cop out.</p>
<p>We have changed strategy and assets so many times that what is lost in the phrase is that there have been hundreds of decisons with postive and negative results. </p>
<p>Bush using the phrase-stay the course-is basically saying we chnage as quickly as we can to adapt.</p>
<p>An opponent of the war-using &#8216;stay the course&#8217;-means they don&#8217;t know any specifics and are trying to appear up to speed.<br />
Can anyone explain to me what &#8216;stay the course&#8217; actually  means to them?</p>
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		<title>By: AcademicElephant</title>
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		<dc:creator>AcademicElephant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 04:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth, you must be retired for 10 years from the active military to become SECDEF.  Mr. Rumsfeld was still in the reserves when he served under President Ford.

I will say that from the excerpts of the book that I&#039;ve read, I think it&#039;s a little odd that someone who had offered to resign twice (and so wasn&#039;t completely adverse to the notion) survived a joint attack by the WH CoS, the NSA, her deputy, the Secretary of State and the dearly beloved First Lady.  And that the end result was the Secretary of State got sacked and the NSA (who was lobbying the dismissal of the SECDEF) got promoted.  And went on to work closely with the SECDEF.  Odd indeed.

Mark, it might surprise you to learn that I&#039;m not adverse to change.  I would even posit that Mr. Rumsfeld is not adverse to change if there&#039;s something material to be gained from the change.  But there&#039;s nothing particularly convincing or compelling here that recommends change for change&#039;s sake given what&#039;s at stake, and as those who are conversant with the transformation process are pointing out, it&#039;s more than troop numbers in Iraq.   Not unless you have a replacement who will be up to speed in less than a year, and the only such candidate I can think of is Cheney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, you must be retired for 10 years from the active military to become SECDEF.  Mr. Rumsfeld was still in the reserves when he served under President Ford.</p>
<p>I will say that from the excerpts of the book that I&#8217;ve read, I think it&#8217;s a little odd that someone who had offered to resign twice (and so wasn&#8217;t completely adverse to the notion) survived a joint attack by the WH CoS, the NSA, her deputy, the Secretary of State and the dearly beloved First Lady.  And that the end result was the Secretary of State got sacked and the NSA (who was lobbying the dismissal of the SECDEF) got promoted.  And went on to work closely with the SECDEF.  Odd indeed.</p>
<p>Mark, it might surprise you to learn that I&#8217;m not adverse to change.  I would even posit that Mr. Rumsfeld is not adverse to change if there&#8217;s something material to be gained from the change.  But there&#8217;s nothing particularly convincing or compelling here that recommends change for change&#8217;s sake given what&#8217;s at stake, and as those who are conversant with the transformation process are pointing out, it&#8217;s more than troop numbers in Iraq.   Not unless you have a replacement who will be up to speed in less than a year, and the only such candidate I can think of is Cheney.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 02:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, Andy and Aaron, I picked up Barnett&#039;s new book, Blueprint For Action, while in San Antonio last weekend and know it will be as interesting as The Pentagon&#039;s New Map.  I think it takes Barnett&#039;s realistic understanding of our new world, with functioning core, non-integrating gap, connectivity and disconnectedness, and gives us a road map to what Barnett calls &quot;a future worth creating&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, Andy and Aaron, I picked up Barnett&#8217;s new book, Blueprint For Action, while in San Antonio last weekend and know it will be as interesting as The Pentagon&#8217;s New Map.  I think it takes Barnett&#8217;s realistic understanding of our new world, with functioning core, non-integrating gap, connectivity and disconnectedness, and gives us a road map to what Barnett calls &#8220;a future worth creating&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 00:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah; it was a pretty good book -- mostly about attempting to define the threat facing America today -- it&#039;s along similar lines to the Lexus and the Olive Tree by Friedman or Jihad vs. McWorld (I forget the author on that), in defining the world in terms of globalization or lack thereof instead of Communism vs. Capitalism of the Cold War. It is more security/military-oriented than what I assume the others to be, though.

His plans for the Pentagon were to essentially create two seperate organs for two seperate purposes -- a &quot;Leviathan&quot; to topple bad regimes and take care of &quot;basket-cases&quot; like Haiti and Somalia, and a &quot;Systems Administrator Force&quot; as a regime-builder. Right now, as we&#039;ve seen in Iraq, the US military is very good at the former, but less than efficient at the latter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah; it was a pretty good book &#8212; mostly about attempting to define the threat facing America today &#8212; it&#8217;s along similar lines to the Lexus and the Olive Tree by Friedman or Jihad vs. McWorld (I forget the author on that), in defining the world in terms of globalization or lack thereof instead of Communism vs. Capitalism of the Cold War. It is more security/military-oriented than what I assume the others to be, though.</p>
<p>His plans for the Pentagon were to essentially create two seperate organs for two seperate purposes &#8212; a &#8220;Leviathan&#8221; to topple bad regimes and take care of &#8220;basket-cases&#8221; like Haiti and Somalia, and a &#8220;Systems Administrator Force&#8221; as a regime-builder. Right now, as we&#8217;ve seen in Iraq, the US military is very good at the former, but less than efficient at the latter.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 00:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, God knows I&#039;m not an expert on military organization - I hear what you&#039;re saying.  I don&#039;t think he&#039;s a bad guy, or that he has been an unqualified disaster...just that I think we could stand a change, that&#039;s all...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, God knows I&#8217;m not an expert on military organization &#8211; I hear what you&#8217;re saying.  I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;s a bad guy, or that he has been an unqualified disaster&#8230;just that I think we could stand a change, that&#8217;s all&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 23:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ditto Andy - I&#039;ve yet to hear a coherent and convincing argument as to why Sec. Rumsfeld has not been a historic and transformational Sec. of Def.  Political calculations are garbage - I love this tough, smart, and effective man in charge.  He&#039;s the adult - the whiny kids should grow up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ditto Andy &#8211; I&#8217;ve yet to hear a coherent and convincing argument as to why Sec. Rumsfeld has not been a historic and transformational Sec. of Def.  Political calculations are garbage &#8211; I love this tough, smart, and effective man in charge.  He&#8217;s the adult &#8211; the whiny kids should grow up.</p>
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