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		<title>By: Texas Rainmaker &#187; Maybe Bush Didn&#8217;t Really Kill a Bazillion Innocent Kids With Puppies?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Texas Rainmaker &#187; Maybe Bush Didn&#8217;t Really Kill a Bazillion Innocent Kids With Puppies?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 15:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Turns out, again, it was probably a fraud. Iraq Body Count says there is “considerable cause for scepticism” and has complained that its figures had been misleadingly cited in the The Lancet as supporting evidence. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Turns out, again, it was probably a fraud. Iraq Body Count says there is “considerable cause for scepticism” and has complained that its figures had been misleadingly cited in the The Lancet as supporting evidence. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Loki on the run</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/11/21/debunking-the-lancet-numbers-again/comment-page-1/#comment-148326</link>
		<dc:creator>Loki on the run</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 22:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rhul.ac.uk/Economics/Research/conflict-analysis/iraq-mortality/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Conflict Mortality Surveys&lt;/a&gt; has what looks like a much more credible criticism of the Lancet study.

They suggest that the study over stated the deaths by as much as a factor of three, if I have read the report correctly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.rhul.ac.uk/Economics/Research/conflict-analysis/iraq-mortality/" rel="nofollow">Conflict Mortality Surveys</a> has what looks like a much more credible criticism of the Lancet study.</p>
<p>They suggest that the study over stated the deaths by as much as a factor of three, if I have read the report correctly.</p>
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		<title>By: too many steves</title>
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		<dc:creator>too many steves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 11:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More data, more questions, little change: 655,000 excess deaths post invasion is not credible.  Regardless, 100/day is bad enough.  Time to do something different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More data, more questions, little change: 655,000 excess deaths post invasion is not credible.  Regardless, 100/day is bad enough.  Time to do something different.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Vance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Vance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 04:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;given the extensive media coverage of the recent carnage&lt;/strong&gt;

Extensive? They manage to cover the big explosions and mass kidnappings, yes.  But given that the vast majority of deaths are via gunshot, and given that media presence in Baghdad has decreased dramatically, no, I doesn&#039;t give me pause. &lt;a href=&quot;http://bostonreview.net/BR31.6/rosen.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This&lt;/a&gt; is what&#039;s going on in the background, 24/7.

I don&#039;t know what bug crawled up Kaplan&#039;s butt on this issue, but he&#039;s been very, very sloppy. There were no mortality surveys conducted in Iraq between 1992 and the first Lancet study (there was one UN survey of childhood mortality in 1998 - conducted by one of the Lancet I authors). The &quot;studies&quot; he&#039;s referring to comes from the boilerplate description of methodology for all countries. The UN estimate for Iraq was a pure guess, and he conveniently fails to mention two other guesses during that time period - the CIA&#039;s was 5.3 and the U.S. Census Bureau&#039;s 5.5. 

One thing is true, though, the Lancet authors are indeed horrible at rebuttals. They should have torn Kaplan apart on his freshman-level Google-fu and the moronic, innumerate dartboard analogy he used in criticizing the first study.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>given the extensive media coverage of the recent carnage</strong></p>
<p>Extensive? They manage to cover the big explosions and mass kidnappings, yes.  But given that the vast majority of deaths are via gunshot, and given that media presence in Baghdad has decreased dramatically, no, I doesn&#8217;t give me pause. <a href="http://bostonreview.net/BR31.6/rosen.html" rel="nofollow">This</a> is what&#8217;s going on in the background, 24/7.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what bug crawled up Kaplan&#8217;s butt on this issue, but he&#8217;s been very, very sloppy. There were no mortality surveys conducted in Iraq between 1992 and the first Lancet study (there was one UN survey of childhood mortality in 1998 &#8211; conducted by one of the Lancet I authors). The &#8220;studies&#8221; he&#8217;s referring to comes from the boilerplate description of methodology for all countries. The UN estimate for Iraq was a pure guess, and he conveniently fails to mention two other guesses during that time period &#8211; the CIA&#8217;s was 5.3 and the U.S. Census Bureau&#8217;s 5.5. </p>
<p>One thing is true, though, the Lancet authors are indeed horrible at rebuttals. They should have torn Kaplan apart on his freshman-level Google-fu and the moronic, innumerate dartboard analogy he used in criticizing the first study.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 03:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha, ha! Hey, you don&#039;t give up, and neither do I...but tell me...given the extensive media coverage of the recent carnage (with several 100+ fatality days, as I mentioned), doesn&#039;t that give you just the &lt;em&gt;tiniest&lt;/em&gt; bit of a pause in believing the Lancet figures?

But hey, Kaplan quoted the U.N. figures, not me...I didn&#039;t double-check his work, but I&#039;ve read his column for several years now, and he seems like a pretty reliable sort; I don&#039;t imagine he just yanked that number out of his a...er, thin air...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha, ha! Hey, you don&#8217;t give up, and neither do I&#8230;but tell me&#8230;given the extensive media coverage of the recent carnage (with several 100+ fatality days, as I mentioned), doesn&#8217;t that give you just the <em>tiniest</em> bit of a pause in believing the Lancet figures?</p>
<p>But hey, Kaplan quoted the U.N. figures, not me&#8230;I didn&#8217;t double-check his work, but I&#8217;ve read his column for several years now, and he seems like a pretty reliable sort; I don&#8217;t imagine he just yanked that number out of his a&#8230;er, thin air&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Vance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Vance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 03:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Solid foundation, eh? Are we in for another Steven E. Moore moment? Sadly, yes.

&lt;i&gt;However, according to data from the United Nations, based on surveys taken at the time, Iraq’s preinvasion mortality rate was 10 per 1,000.&lt;/i&gt;

Tell you what. If you can find these phantom surveys, or even a real reference to them, I&#039;ll never darken your Lancet posts again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Solid foundation, eh? Are we in for another Steven E. Moore moment? Sadly, yes.</p>
<p><i>However, according to data from the United Nations, based on surveys taken at the time, Iraq’s preinvasion mortality rate was 10 per 1,000.</i></p>
<p>Tell you what. If you can find these phantom surveys, or even a real reference to them, I&#8217;ll never darken your Lancet posts again.</p>
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