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		<title>By: gil</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/11/21/terrible-news-from-lebanon/comment-page-1/#comment-144612</link>
		<dc:creator>gil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 03:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Answer to Desicion &#039;08

The idea that we now want to ask Syria and Iran to help us in Iraq is reflective of the depths of desperation that the Bush  administration has fallen.

There is no way in my opinion that Syria or Iran will ever consider helping Bush. There is just too much bad blood against Bush and his Neo-Cons in the entire Arab world.

Furthermore, in the best of cases the price America will be asked to pay in return for &quot;help&quot;  will be way too high to be accepted.

Iran no doubt will ask for America to step aside and give them a free and clear road to aquire nuclear weapons.
Iran will also ask for a more robust role in the Middle East with no intervention by America.
Iran will also ask for America to pressure Israel for a solution to the Palestinian problem with imposible terms for the Israeli Government.

Syria will ask for Lebanon
Syria will ask for America and Israel to let Hezbollah be the defacto rulers in Lebanon.
Syria will ask for the Golan Hights.

Nevertheless, Baker will come out asking for a &quot;dialoge&quot; with Syria and Iran. It will be a royal waste of time.

UNLESS....

The only way we are going to solve our problems in Iraq is by taking sides. I would suggest to openly take the Sunni side. That will get Iran&#039;s attention (They are the most dangerous country in the region by far). 

We can &quot;negociate&quot; by telling the Iranians that they either back off from their support of the Shiite militias in Iraq, and nuclear aspirations,  or we will simply put  
our support on the Iraqi Sunni until the Shiite are defeted. Furthermore, we will support all the Sunni Governments in the region to an unprecedented degree to keep Iran encircled.

To Syria we will use a stick and a carrot. Help us in Iraq and we will ask Israel to give you back the Golan Hights, and ease off Hezbollah. Lebanon will probably have to be sacrificed, and given to the Syrians. But the fact is that Syria is about to control Lebanon again,  trough their proxy Hezbollah.
Also we can offer &quot;real help&quot; is solving the Israeli-Palestinian problem once and for all. 
If on the other hand Syria does not help in Iraq, we can A) Make shure that their Lebanese &quot;adventure&quot; results in a long and painful stay courtesy of the Christians and Shiite helped every step of the way by an Uncle Sam in a very rotten mood.... As in &quot;We can make Lebanon your Iraq my dear Syrians&quot;. 
and B) We will make shure that Israel keeps after Hezbollah and their leaders in Palestine in a non-stop campaing. Or in other words, you can kiss any solution in Palestine good bye for another generation.

Arabs understand power, not talk.... Let&#039;s not forget we are dealing with a bunch of real tough characters here. Bush can talk tough, but the leaders in the Middle East ARE tough. They can have Junior for brekfast and ask for Chenney for dissert.

We need to think outside the box now, and be bold. NO Democracy for Iraq is too late for that. We have a completely different situation in Iraq, and in the entire Middle East. We urgently need to adjust to the new circunstances, or America and the world will end up loosing their Economies... Courtesy of our Foreign Policy &quot;Challenged&quot; President. 

By the way speaking of our President, It might be a good idea to start every future meeting with the Arabs, Europeans, Asians, Latin Americans, and Africans by declaring in no uncertain terms that Mr. Bush, and Mr. Chenney are now The Biggest Lame Ducks that ever lived in Washington D.C.
In &quot;Charge&quot; only of watering the roses at the Rose Garden and not a thing more. 
That alone my bring us some new allies, and open more than a few doors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Answer to Desicion &#8216;08</p>
<p>The idea that we now want to ask Syria and Iran to help us in Iraq is reflective of the depths of desperation that the Bush  administration has fallen.</p>
<p>There is no way in my opinion that Syria or Iran will ever consider helping Bush. There is just too much bad blood against Bush and his Neo-Cons in the entire Arab world.</p>
<p>Furthermore, in the best of cases the price America will be asked to pay in return for &#8220;help&#8221;  will be way too high to be accepted.</p>
<p>Iran no doubt will ask for America to step aside and give them a free and clear road to aquire nuclear weapons.<br />
Iran will also ask for a more robust role in the Middle East with no intervention by America.<br />
Iran will also ask for America to pressure Israel for a solution to the Palestinian problem with imposible terms for the Israeli Government.</p>
<p>Syria will ask for Lebanon<br />
Syria will ask for America and Israel to let Hezbollah be the defacto rulers in Lebanon.<br />
Syria will ask for the Golan Hights.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, Baker will come out asking for a &#8220;dialoge&#8221; with Syria and Iran. It will be a royal waste of time.</p>
<p>UNLESS&#8230;.</p>
<p>The only way we are going to solve our problems in Iraq is by taking sides. I would suggest to openly take the Sunni side. That will get Iran&#8217;s attention (They are the most dangerous country in the region by far). </p>
<p>We can &#8220;negociate&#8221; by telling the Iranians that they either back off from their support of the Shiite militias in Iraq, and nuclear aspirations,  or we will simply put<br />
our support on the Iraqi Sunni until the Shiite are defeted. Furthermore, we will support all the Sunni Governments in the region to an unprecedented degree to keep Iran encircled.</p>
<p>To Syria we will use a stick and a carrot. Help us in Iraq and we will ask Israel to give you back the Golan Hights, and ease off Hezbollah. Lebanon will probably have to be sacrificed, and given to the Syrians. But the fact is that Syria is about to control Lebanon again,  trough their proxy Hezbollah.<br />
Also we can offer &#8220;real help&#8221; is solving the Israeli-Palestinian problem once and for all.<br />
If on the other hand Syria does not help in Iraq, we can A) Make shure that their Lebanese &#8220;adventure&#8221; results in a long and painful stay courtesy of the Christians and Shiite helped every step of the way by an Uncle Sam in a very rotten mood&#8230;. As in &#8220;We can make Lebanon your Iraq my dear Syrians&#8221;.<br />
and B) We will make shure that Israel keeps after Hezbollah and their leaders in Palestine in a non-stop campaing. Or in other words, you can kiss any solution in Palestine good bye for another generation.</p>
<p>Arabs understand power, not talk&#8230;. Let&#8217;s not forget we are dealing with a bunch of real tough characters here. Bush can talk tough, but the leaders in the Middle East ARE tough. They can have Junior for brekfast and ask for Chenney for dissert.</p>
<p>We need to think outside the box now, and be bold. NO Democracy for Iraq is too late for that. We have a completely different situation in Iraq, and in the entire Middle East. We urgently need to adjust to the new circunstances, or America and the world will end up loosing their Economies&#8230; Courtesy of our Foreign Policy &#8220;Challenged&#8221; President. </p>
<p>By the way speaking of our President, It might be a good idea to start every future meeting with the Arabs, Europeans, Asians, Latin Americans, and Africans by declaring in no uncertain terms that Mr. Bush, and Mr. Chenney are now The Biggest Lame Ducks that ever lived in Washington D.C.<br />
In &#8220;Charge&#8221; only of watering the roses at the Rose Garden and not a thing more.<br />
That alone my bring us some new allies, and open more than a few doors.</p>
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		<title>By: Decision &#8216;08 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Gemayel Assassination: STRATFOR&#8217;s Analysis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Decision &#8216;08 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Gemayel Assassination: STRATFOR&#8217;s Analysis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 13:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Wall Street Journal, echoing a point I made yesterday, puts the tragedy in the context of increasing calls to involve Syria in our plans for Iraq: It&#8217;s true that every Administration must deal with the world as it is. But when it comes to Syria, do the sages of the Iraq Study Group really want the Bush Administration to seek the benediction of a country that stirs such mayhem in Beirut? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Wall Street Journal, echoing a point I made yesterday, puts the tragedy in the context of increasing calls to involve Syria in our plans for Iraq: It&#8217;s true that every Administration must deal with the world as it is. But when it comes to Syria, do the sages of the Iraq Study Group really want the Bush Administration to seek the benediction of a country that stirs such mayhem in Beirut? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sirkowski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sirkowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 05:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe more bombs would fix democracy?</description>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/11/21/terrible-news-from-lebanon/comment-page-1/#comment-144055</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 04:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, your reasoning there is not far off from mine, actually...I support the Sharon &#039;disengagement&#039; plan, because until, as you say, the Arab world comes around, there is little point in Israel &#039;engaging&#039; its neighbors.  Best to just pull back and do your best to ignore them (behind suitable fortifications, of course)...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, your reasoning there is not far off from mine, actually&#8230;I support the Sharon &#8216;disengagement&#8217; plan, because until, as you say, the Arab world comes around, there is little point in Israel &#8216;engaging&#8217; its neighbors.  Best to just pull back and do your best to ignore them (behind suitable fortifications, of course)&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: gil</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2006/11/21/terrible-news-from-lebanon/comment-page-1/#comment-144049</link>
		<dc:creator>gil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 04:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Answer to Mark.

A Government such as Israel can&#039;t afford half meassures. If you want to destroy Hezbollah you better be ready not only to invade Lebanon, but invade Syria, and Iran as well.

Since it is impossible for Israel to do just that, it stands to reason that Israel can&#039;t defeat Hezbollah in battle any more than we can defeat &quot;Terrorism&quot; in battle. 

The Israeli people know all too well the price to be paid for invasions followed by endless occupation. It does not work.

I know it is frustrating not to be able to win against a rootless, cowardly enemy that hides behind the shadows, and attacks inocent civilians with no remorse. Conisder it a price to be paid for living in a very bad neighborhood. But on the bright side, the Israeli can give as good as they take.... And then some. 

The solution to the endless Arab- Israeli conflict will come some day, I am shure of that. When it comes it will be because the  Arabs themselves understand that tolerance and mutual respect can give them what war and terrorism never could.

Until then, Israel will be supported 100 % by America. Until then Israel will have to take the attacks that are shure to come, and hit back if necessary, but in a wise way. Let&#039;s not prolong the day that the Arabs come around to our views by creating and empowering more enemies than they and us can kill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Answer to Mark.</p>
<p>A Government such as Israel can&#8217;t afford half meassures. If you want to destroy Hezbollah you better be ready not only to invade Lebanon, but invade Syria, and Iran as well.</p>
<p>Since it is impossible for Israel to do just that, it stands to reason that Israel can&#8217;t defeat Hezbollah in battle any more than we can defeat &#8220;Terrorism&#8221; in battle. </p>
<p>The Israeli people know all too well the price to be paid for invasions followed by endless occupation. It does not work.</p>
<p>I know it is frustrating not to be able to win against a rootless, cowardly enemy that hides behind the shadows, and attacks inocent civilians with no remorse. Conisder it a price to be paid for living in a very bad neighborhood. But on the bright side, the Israeli can give as good as they take&#8230;. And then some. </p>
<p>The solution to the endless Arab- Israeli conflict will come some day, I am shure of that. When it comes it will be because the  Arabs themselves understand that tolerance and mutual respect can give them what war and terrorism never could.</p>
<p>Until then, Israel will be supported 100 % by America. Until then Israel will have to take the attacks that are shure to come, and hit back if necessary, but in a wise way. Let&#8217;s not prolong the day that the Arabs come around to our views by creating and empowering more enemies than they and us can kill.</p>
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		<title>By: Joust The Facts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joust The Facts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 04:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Furtive Glances - &quot;Thaw The Bird&quot; Edition&lt;/strong&gt;

Okay, I&#039;m back from my football weekend, and just beginning to recover from TMF (too much fun). After a busy workday today, I began to peruse the stories out there, and here are some links and some thoughts. Six Muslim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Furtive Glances &#8211; &#8220;Thaw The Bird&#8221; Edition</strong></p>
<p>Okay, I&#8217;m back from my football weekend, and just beginning to recover from TMF (too much fun). After a busy workday today, I began to peruse the stories out there, and here are some links and some thoughts. Six Muslim</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 03:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t disagree with you on the outcome...it was a disaster...I do disagree on whether it was the concept that was flawed, or the execution...but I argued at the time that the outcome was terrible, and it was.  But it does show the complete impotence of the UN...they can&#039;t return the soldiers, and Hezbollah is threatening to overthrow the government openly right in front of their noses...yet this is apparently viewed as a &#039;successful&#039; deployment...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t disagree with you on the outcome&#8230;it was a disaster&#8230;I do disagree on whether it was the concept that was flawed, or the execution&#8230;but I argued at the time that the outcome was terrible, and it was.  But it does show the complete impotence of the UN&#8230;they can&#8217;t return the soldiers, and Hezbollah is threatening to overthrow the government openly right in front of their noses&#8230;yet this is apparently viewed as a &#8217;successful&#8217; deployment&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: gil</title>
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		<dc:creator>gil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 02:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Answer to Mark.

NO one is queationing Israel&#039;s right to invade. I question the wisdom.

Do you see Hezbollah destroyed?

If Israel could not force Hezbollah out of Lebanon after ten years of occupation what makes you think that the Siniora Government was going to do it in two. Not only Olmert did not destroy Hezbollah, he gave the terrorist a heroic status in Lebanon, and a free road to the control of the Lebanese Government.

Of course is an overreaction when you go kill you allies in Southern Lebanon (Sunni), mortally weaken the one Government that can possibly help you, destroy most of the infraestructure of Lebanon, and ...... Accomplish nothing in return.... Hell they did not even get their soldiers back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Answer to Mark.</p>
<p>NO one is queationing Israel&#8217;s right to invade. I question the wisdom.</p>
<p>Do you see Hezbollah destroyed?</p>
<p>If Israel could not force Hezbollah out of Lebanon after ten years of occupation what makes you think that the Siniora Government was going to do it in two. Not only Olmert did not destroy Hezbollah, he gave the terrorist a heroic status in Lebanon, and a free road to the control of the Lebanese Government.</p>
<p>Of course is an overreaction when you go kill you allies in Southern Lebanon (Sunni), mortally weaken the one Government that can possibly help you, destroy most of the infraestructure of Lebanon, and &#8230;&#8230; Accomplish nothing in return&#8230;. Hell they did not even get their soldiers back.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 01:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got my own issues with Olmert, but I disagree that Israel &#039;overreacted&#039;; simply put, despite the fact that their quarrel was not with Lebanon, since Lebanon wouldn&#039;t force Hezbollah out of the South (thus establishing a true state monopoly on armed force), and since the UN manifestly lacks even the desire, what choice did Israel have?

Olmert miscalculated and bungled it...but he was right to invade...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got my own issues with Olmert, but I disagree that Israel &#8216;overreacted&#8217;; simply put, despite the fact that their quarrel was not with Lebanon, since Lebanon wouldn&#8217;t force Hezbollah out of the South (thus establishing a true state monopoly on armed force), and since the UN manifestly lacks even the desire, what choice did Israel have?</p>
<p>Olmert miscalculated and bungled it&#8230;but he was right to invade&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: gil</title>
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		<dc:creator>gil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 01:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Answer to DMAC

 &quot;I guess the thousands of rockets that rained down on Israel from the Lebanese border does not count &quot;

Sir, with all due respect.  I would suggest you first learn about the subject and then comment on the subject.

The war started because three Israeli soldiers were kidnaped by Hezbollha in the Israeli -Lebanon border. The thousands of rockets that you talk about came AFTER the Israeli Army invaded Southern Lebanon. 
It stands to reason that Israel has every right to react to attacks, or kidnapings of its soldiers and citizens. Having granted that, we also need to understand that simple common sence will tell you that three soldiers kidnapped by Hezbollah do not grant the humiliation, and utter weakening of the Pro-Western Siniora Government or the destruction of the Country of Lebanon, or the killing of thousands of innocent Sunny that were allied to Israel. As a result of the war, Israel finds now comfronting the specter of Hezbollah in full control of Lebanon!! And they have no one to blame but themselves. 

Like I said, Bush and Olmert most have gone to the same school. That&#039;s why the results in Lebanon Vs. Iraq look very much the same. They set up to stop terrorism, and instead they promoted terrorism to an unimmaginable scale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Answer to DMAC</p>
<p> &#8220;I guess the thousands of rockets that rained down on Israel from the Lebanese border does not count &#8221;</p>
<p>Sir, with all due respect.  I would suggest you first learn about the subject and then comment on the subject.</p>
<p>The war started because three Israeli soldiers were kidnaped by Hezbollha in the Israeli -Lebanon border. The thousands of rockets that you talk about came AFTER the Israeli Army invaded Southern Lebanon.<br />
It stands to reason that Israel has every right to react to attacks, or kidnapings of its soldiers and citizens. Having granted that, we also need to understand that simple common sence will tell you that three soldiers kidnapped by Hezbollah do not grant the humiliation, and utter weakening of the Pro-Western Siniora Government or the destruction of the Country of Lebanon, or the killing of thousands of innocent Sunny that were allied to Israel. As a result of the war, Israel finds now comfronting the specter of Hezbollah in full control of Lebanon!! And they have no one to blame but themselves. </p>
<p>Like I said, Bush and Olmert most have gone to the same school. That&#8217;s why the results in Lebanon Vs. Iraq look very much the same. They set up to stop terrorism, and instead they promoted terrorism to an unimmaginable scale.</p>
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