Comments on: John Edwards: Hostage To Chris Bowers http://informedspeculation.com/2007/02/08/john-edwards-hostage-to-chris-bowers/ Refunds Cheerfully Given To All Who Disagree Sat, 07 Apr 2012 09:00:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Mark http://informedspeculation.com/2007/02/08/john-edwards-hostage-to-chris-bowers/comment-page-1/#comment-237034 Mark Fri, 16 Feb 2007 13:26:51 +0000 http://decision08.net/2007/02/08/john-edwards-hostage-to-chris-bowers/#comment-237034 I didn't say Bowers was a bigot or that he did not condone religious freedom - I said he went to the mats for someone who fits that description. Big difference... I didn’t say Bowers was a bigot or that he did not condone religious freedom – I said he went to the mats for someone who fits that description. Big difference…

]]> By: Mark J B http://informedspeculation.com/2007/02/08/john-edwards-hostage-to-chris-bowers/comment-page-1/#comment-236888 Mark J B Fri, 16 Feb 2007 06:44:42 +0000 http://decision08.net/2007/02/08/john-edwards-hostage-to-chris-bowers/#comment-236888 I think that your assumption that Chris Bowers has held Presidential Hopeful John Edwards hostage is extremely short and one sided. Further, and even more enflaming, is your notion that Mr. Bowers in any way shape or form condones any practice of bigotry. Having known him for more than 28 years I am proud to say that Mr. Bowers has always been a defender in private of individuals to choose their own paths in lives, a defender of all religions up to and including being an active participant in Central New York's Inter-Faith Council, which his father was the President of for over four years!!!!! To say that Mr. Bowers does not condone religious freedom is as absurd as saying that gravity no longer exists. Get of yourself already. I think that your assumption that Chris Bowers has held Presidential Hopeful John Edwards hostage is extremely short and one sided. Further, and even more enflaming, is your notion that Mr. Bowers in any way shape or form condones any practice of bigotry. Having known him for more than 28 years I am proud to say that Mr. Bowers has always been a defender in private of individuals to choose their own paths in lives, a defender of all religions up to and including being an active participant in Central New York’s Inter-Faith Council, which his father was the President of for over four years!!!!! To say that Mr. Bowers does not condone religious freedom is as absurd as saying that gravity no longer exists. Get of yourself already.

]]> By: Mark http://informedspeculation.com/2007/02/08/john-edwards-hostage-to-chris-bowers/comment-page-1/#comment-231867 Mark Sat, 10 Feb 2007 15:56:34 +0000 http://decision08.net/2007/02/08/john-edwards-hostage-to-chris-bowers/#comment-231867 It's not about the idiotic Bill Donohue, it's about Amanda Marcotte... It’s not about the idiotic Bill Donohue, it’s about Amanda Marcotte…

]]> By: Bill Donohue http://informedspeculation.com/2007/02/08/john-edwards-hostage-to-chris-bowers/comment-page-1/#comment-231715 Bill Donohue Sat, 10 Feb 2007 14:07:43 +0000 http://decision08.net/2007/02/08/john-edwards-hostage-to-chris-bowers/#comment-231715 Hollywood is controlled by secular Jews who hate Christianity in general and Catholicism in particular. It's not a secret, OK? And I'm not afraid to say it. ... Hollywood likes anal sex Hollywood is controlled by secular Jews who hate Christianity in general and Catholicism in particular. It’s not a secret, OK? And I’m not afraid to say it. … Hollywood likes anal sex

]]> By: mikebdot http://informedspeculation.com/2007/02/08/john-edwards-hostage-to-chris-bowers/comment-page-1/#comment-230589 mikebdot Fri, 09 Feb 2007 16:53:39 +0000 http://decision08.net/2007/02/08/john-edwards-hostage-to-chris-bowers/#comment-230589 Mark: Yeah, she wasn't making a theological argument at all with her <a href="http://pandagon.net/2006/06/14/pandagon-goes-undercover-the-lazy-way-on-a-catholic-anti-contraception-seminar-pt-ii/" rel="nofollow">post</a> <a href="http://pandagon.net/2006/06/14/pandagon-goes-undercover-the-lazy-way-on-a-catholic-anti-contraception-seminar/" rel="nofollow">(s)</a>. She's a raving lunatic I guess. No cogent arguments at all. No sir. She's crazy I say! Mark: Yeah, she wasn’t making a theological argument at all with her post (s). She’s a raving lunatic I guess. No cogent arguments at all. No sir. She’s crazy I say!

]]> By: mikebdot http://informedspeculation.com/2007/02/08/john-edwards-hostage-to-chris-bowers/comment-page-1/#comment-230425 mikebdot Fri, 09 Feb 2007 13:13:41 +0000 http://decision08.net/2007/02/08/john-edwards-hostage-to-chris-bowers/#comment-230425 Mark, in case you are wondering, your contempt for engaging arguments and debating them comes through loud and clear. On the other thread you said you were tired of "arguing"...well you have not argued one point Fargus and I have made, so I'm not sure what makes you so tired besides your anger at these two women. I do not have contempt for religion, I just don't understand it and the quote is actually something I identify with and that is what makes it funny (to me and to their particular audience on a given day...this is how Malkin/Coulter and the like keep in business. If a campaign hired them the left would be a raving mass, but I'd be the first to say "who gives a spit", well, you know what I'd actually say...) But, then again, by fiat I'm a sad sad man... Mark, in case you are wondering, your contempt for engaging arguments and debating them comes through loud and clear. On the other thread you said you were tired of “arguing”…well you have not argued one point Fargus and I have made, so I’m not sure what makes you so tired besides your anger at these two women.

I do not have contempt for religion, I just don’t understand it and the quote is actually something I identify with and that is what makes it funny (to me and to their particular audience on a given day…this is how Malkin/Coulter and the like keep in business. If a campaign hired them the left would be a raving mass, but I’d be the first to say “who gives a spit”, well, you know what I’d actually say…)

But, then again, by fiat I’m a sad sad man…

]]> By: The Other McCain http://informedspeculation.com/2007/02/08/john-edwards-hostage-to-chris-bowers/comment-page-1/#comment-230322 The Other McCain Fri, 09 Feb 2007 08:55:23 +0000 http://decision08.net/2007/02/08/john-edwards-hostage-to-chris-bowers/#comment-230322 <strong>Exclusive interview!</strong> Following his "big victory" Thursday in the battle over campaign bloggers Melissa McEwan and Amanda F***ing Marcotte, John Edwards took the advice of Chris Bowers and decided to keep piling on the pressure by hiring a new Netroots-approved spokesman:... Exclusive interview!

Following his “big victory” Thursday in the battle over campaign bloggers Melissa McEwan and Amanda F***ing Marcotte, John Edwards took the advice of Chris Bowers and decided to keep piling on the pressure by hiring a new Netroots-approved spokesman:…

]]> By: Mark http://informedspeculation.com/2007/02/08/john-edwards-hostage-to-chris-bowers/comment-page-1/#comment-230086 Mark Fri, 09 Feb 2007 04:23:27 +0000 http://decision08.net/2007/02/08/john-edwards-hostage-to-chris-bowers/#comment-230086 Fargus, in case you're wondering, I think your contempt for religion has come through loud and clear. There are literally millions of words written on Catholic theology, and the problem of miracles in a modern world, and whether theology allows the denial of the miraculous nature of Christ's birth. Really - you'd be amazed at the level of intellectualism that surrounds these issues. In fact, as a non-Catholic, let me say that Catholicism is, without a doubt, the most intellectual of all religions. But we're not talking about any of that, we're talking about a vile, offensive comment, transparently so. Now, I'm not going to play this game with you. Your passive-aggressiveness is not fooling me or anyone else... Fargus, in case you’re wondering, I think your contempt for religion has come through loud and clear. There are literally millions of words written on Catholic theology, and the problem of miracles in a modern world, and whether theology allows the denial of the miraculous nature of Christ’s birth.

Really – you’d be amazed at the level of intellectualism that surrounds these issues. In fact, as a non-Catholic, let me say that Catholicism is, without a doubt, the most intellectual of all religions.

But we’re not talking about any of that, we’re talking about a vile, offensive comment, transparently so.

Now, I’m not going to play this game with you.

Your passive-aggressiveness is not fooling me or anyone else…

]]> By: Fargus http://informedspeculation.com/2007/02/08/john-edwards-hostage-to-chris-bowers/comment-page-1/#comment-230049 Fargus Fri, 09 Feb 2007 03:55:54 +0000 http://decision08.net/2007/02/08/john-edwards-hostage-to-chris-bowers/#comment-230049 What? I really don't understand what you're talking about. You're talking about it being offensive to have sexualized discussion of this particular pregnancy. Um, all I'm saying is that in human beings, pregnancy comes from sex. Talking about pregnancy already has sexual undertones. No theology there. I wouldn't stoop so low. Nobody's bothered to answer my question about how claims of a virgin birth would be handled today. Christians get a pass and have to have their beliefs, no matter how absurd, sheltered from criticism simply because the events in question happened too long ago for anybody to check up on it? Please. That's ridiculous on the face of it. What? I really don’t understand what you’re talking about.

You’re talking about it being offensive to have sexualized discussion of this particular pregnancy. Um, all I’m saying is that in human beings, pregnancy comes from sex. Talking about pregnancy already has sexual undertones. No theology there. I wouldn’t stoop so low.

Nobody’s bothered to answer my question about how claims of a virgin birth would be handled today. Christians get a pass and have to have their beliefs, no matter how absurd, sheltered from criticism simply because the events in question happened too long ago for anybody to check up on it?

Please. That’s ridiculous on the face of it.

]]> By: Mark http://informedspeculation.com/2007/02/08/john-edwards-hostage-to-chris-bowers/comment-page-1/#comment-230037 Mark Fri, 09 Feb 2007 03:51:24 +0000 http://decision08.net/2007/02/08/john-edwards-hostage-to-chris-bowers/#comment-230037 And bravo on your deep knowledge of Catholic theology, by the way...I'm sure the points you bring up have never been considered by Augustine, Thomas Aguinas, or Hans Kung... And bravo on your deep knowledge of Catholic theology, by the way…I’m sure the points you bring up have never been considered by Augustine, Thomas Aguinas, or Hans Kung…

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