Comments on: Sometimes A Is A http://informedspeculation.com/2007/02/15/sometimes-a-is-a/ Refunds Cheerfully Given To All Who Disagree Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:29:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Mike http://informedspeculation.com/2007/02/15/sometimes-a-is-a/comment-page-1/#comment-237058 Mike Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:06:14 +0000 http://decision08.net/2007/02/15/sometimes-a-is-a/#comment-237058 <blockquote> I feel betrayed by the empty promises made in the aftermath of the 2006 elections </blockquote> Really? I certainly don't. This is EXACTLY what I expected from the Dems. They rarely fail to live down to my expectations.

I feel betrayed by the empty promises made in the aftermath of the 2006 elections

Really? I certainly don’t. This is EXACTLY what I expected from the Dems. They rarely fail to live down to my expectations.

]]> By: Jojo http://informedspeculation.com/2007/02/15/sometimes-a-is-a/comment-page-1/#comment-236538 Jojo Thu, 15 Feb 2007 23:10:06 +0000 http://decision08.net/2007/02/15/sometimes-a-is-a/#comment-236538 The Democratic Party's feelings on Iraq were pretty clear before the 2006 mid-terms. They were elected on a very clear anti-Iraq War platform, and most pollsters would agree that their Iraq stance is the basis for their entire electoral success. I think the issue is where you perceive "middle" America to be. I doubt you can win both houses of Congress just without the support of the middle. Middle America is currently with the Democratic Party on this issue - staying in Iraq, troop surge, Dick Cheney's "we've had major victories" etc, such positions are now the fringe. The Democratic Party’s feelings on Iraq were pretty clear before the 2006 mid-terms. They were elected on a very clear anti-Iraq War platform, and most pollsters would agree that their Iraq stance is the basis for their entire electoral success.

I think the issue is where you perceive “middle” America to be. I doubt you can win both houses of Congress just without the support of the middle. Middle America is currently with the Democratic Party on this issue – staying in Iraq, troop surge, Dick Cheney’s “we’ve had major victories” etc, such positions are now the fringe.

]]> By: jpe http://informedspeculation.com/2007/02/15/sometimes-a-is-a/comment-page-1/#comment-236470 jpe Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:00:04 +0000 http://decision08.net/2007/02/15/sometimes-a-is-a/#comment-236470 None of this is mere politics; people genuinely believe Iraq is a mess and we'll be better off when we're out of it. Whether or not the measure "supports the troops" is flatly irrelevant. The only thing that matters is whether it's good policy or not. I much prefer talk of 'defeatism' (which I don't find particularly objectionable; it's just an <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persuasive_definition" rel="nofollow">emotive spin</a> w/ an accurate descriptive component) to the stance that our nation's policies ought to be guided by the feelings of men & women that volunteered to serve the nation. It puts the horse behind the cart. None of this is mere politics; people genuinely believe Iraq is a mess and we’ll be better off when we’re out of it.

Whether or not the measure “supports the troops” is flatly irrelevant. The only thing that matters is whether it’s good policy or not.

I much prefer talk of ‘defeatism’ (which I don’t find particularly objectionable; it’s just an emotive spin w/ an accurate descriptive component) to the stance that our nation’s policies ought to be guided by the feelings of men & women that volunteered to serve the nation. It puts the horse behind the cart.

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