Comments on: As The Democrats Turn Tail, Positive Signs In Baghdad http://informedspeculation.com/2007/02/17/as-the-democrats-turn-tail-positive-signs-in-baghdad/ Refunds Cheerfully Given To All Who Disagree Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:53:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Pros and Cons » An amazingly good start in Bagdhdad. I even like the name, “Operation Imposing the Law”. http://informedspeculation.com/2007/02/17/as-the-democrats-turn-tail-positive-signs-in-baghdad/comment-page-1/#comment-239282 Pros and Cons » An amazingly good start in Bagdhdad. I even like the name, “Operation Imposing the Law”. Mon, 19 Feb 2007 02:38:21 +0000 http://decision08.net/2007/02/17/as-the-democrats-turn-tail-positive-signs-in-baghdad/#comment-239282 [...] Further updates at Decision ‘O8, because it’s never too early, The Irishspy, Don Singleton (no, not ex-Governor Seigelman, read it again) and the ever-reliable Paxalles (that’d be peace unto all, in Latin). [...] [...] Further updates at Decision ‘O8, because it’s never too early, The Irishspy, Don Singleton (no, not ex-Governor Seigelman, read it again) and the ever-reliable Paxalles (that’d be peace unto all, in Latin). [...]

]]> By: Mark http://informedspeculation.com/2007/02/17/as-the-democrats-turn-tail-positive-signs-in-baghdad/comment-page-1/#comment-239033 Mark Sun, 18 Feb 2007 21:09:27 +0000 http://decision08.net/2007/02/17/as-the-democrats-turn-tail-positive-signs-in-baghdad/#comment-239033 If the surge doesn't show results, I think we will be forced to quit, for better or worse - it's hard enough, as we see, to pull this off, and I don't think the political environment will support much beyond this. In a world divorced from domestic politics, I think we should be prepared to be in Iraq for years to come (not forever, but maybe through the end of this decade)...but that's not the world we live in... If the surge doesn’t show results, I think we will be forced to quit, for better or worse – it’s hard enough, as we see, to pull this off, and I don’t think the political environment will support much beyond this.

In a world divorced from domestic politics, I think we should be prepared to be in Iraq for years to come (not forever, but maybe through the end of this decade)…but that’s not the world we live in…

]]> By: jpe http://informedspeculation.com/2007/02/17/as-the-democrats-turn-tail-positive-signs-in-baghdad/comment-page-1/#comment-238995 jpe Sun, 18 Feb 2007 20:06:54 +0000 http://decision08.net/2007/02/17/as-the-democrats-turn-tail-positive-signs-in-baghdad/#comment-238995 Will there be a point at which we quit? At this point I think a wise decision is to pull out and try something else. But at what point do the die-hard supporters (viz, you) think a redeployment should be considered? Will there be a point at which we quit? At this point I think a wise decision is to pull out and try something else. But at what point do the die-hard supporters (viz, you) think a redeployment should be considered?

]]> By: Mark http://informedspeculation.com/2007/02/17/as-the-democrats-turn-tail-positive-signs-in-baghdad/comment-page-1/#comment-238935 Mark Sun, 18 Feb 2007 18:36:29 +0000 http://decision08.net/2007/02/17/as-the-democrats-turn-tail-positive-signs-in-baghdad/#comment-238935 No, jpe, it just means there are some positive signs. And indeed, negative ones, as well - I just updated the post. Unfortunately, another big car bomb explosion killed dozens. It's an ongoing struggle, but that doesn't mean we just throw our hands up and quit... No, jpe, it just means there are some positive signs. And indeed, negative ones, as well – I just updated the post. Unfortunately, another big car bomb explosion killed dozens. It’s an ongoing struggle, but that doesn’t mean we just throw our hands up and quit…

]]> By: jpe http://informedspeculation.com/2007/02/17/as-the-democrats-turn-tail-positive-signs-in-baghdad/comment-page-1/#comment-238934 jpe Sun, 18 Feb 2007 18:33:02 +0000 http://decision08.net/2007/02/17/as-the-democrats-turn-tail-positive-signs-in-baghdad/#comment-238934 Why, it sounds like we've turned a corner. I assume that means we'll catch another al-Qaeda #2 in a few days. Why, it sounds like we’ve turned a corner. I assume that means we’ll catch another al-Qaeda #2 in a few days.

]]> By: peter http://informedspeculation.com/2007/02/17/as-the-democrats-turn-tail-positive-signs-in-baghdad/comment-page-1/#comment-238918 peter Sun, 18 Feb 2007 18:05:07 +0000 http://decision08.net/2007/02/17/as-the-democrats-turn-tail-positive-signs-in-baghdad/#comment-238918 Life returning to normal? http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/02/18/iraq.main/index.html Mark: when Zarqawi died, you posted that it was a new day in Iraq, and things proceeded to get much worse. Similar predictions have failed to materialize at other seemingly hopeful events in Iraq. This is not to gloat or say I-told-you-so -- it is merely to suggest that it might be wise to hold the applause. The fact is that events in Iraq have a momentum which we are unable to stop, regardless of what we do. To admit that we have unleashed a situation which has spun out of control and is likely to continue for a generation or more is an acceptance of what the situation is, as well as the first step to determining how to proceed from here. Republicans call this view defeatist to distract attention from their complicity in this mess, but the fact remains that we are well past the point where we can effect any kind of victory, no matter how you define victory. The administration's fantasy of a democratic Iraq as the beacon in the Middle East just ain't gonna happen: there is no line between that and where we are now. Pointing to two or three days' relative calm as justification for more of the same ignores how bad things really are in Iraq. Life returning to normal?

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/02/18/iraq.main/index.html

Mark: when Zarqawi died, you posted that it was a new day in Iraq, and things proceeded to get much worse. Similar predictions have failed to materialize at other seemingly hopeful events in Iraq. This is not to gloat or say I-told-you-so — it is merely to suggest that it might be wise to hold the applause.

The fact is that events in Iraq have a momentum which we are unable to stop, regardless of what we do. To admit that we have unleashed a situation which has spun out of control and is likely to continue for a generation or more is an acceptance of what the situation is, as well as the first step to determining how to proceed from here. Republicans call this view defeatist to distract attention from their complicity in this mess, but the fact remains that we are well past the point where we can effect any kind of victory, no matter how you define victory. The administration’s fantasy of a democratic Iraq as the beacon in the Middle East just ain’t gonna happen: there is no line between that and where we are now. Pointing to two or three days’ relative calm as justification for more of the same ignores how bad things really are in Iraq.

]]> By: Peter http://informedspeculation.com/2007/02/17/as-the-democrats-turn-tail-positive-signs-in-baghdad/comment-page-1/#comment-238659 Peter Sun, 18 Feb 2007 12:06:19 +0000 http://decision08.net/2007/02/17/as-the-democrats-turn-tail-positive-signs-in-baghdad/#comment-238659 The plea to Pelosi, Murtha & Reid to give Bagdad a chance makes a lot of sense, however the trio are owned lock stock & barrel by the radical left. "it won't happen". They feel, and justifiably so that their political success depends on American failure. That is so shocking, that it is unbelievable. They take comfort that a war hero like Murtha is out front with them. They loose site of the fact that Benedict Arnold was a war hero. The American people silently watch, and digest the goings on, and they remember our history about Benedict Arnold. The plea to Pelosi, Murtha & Reid to give Bagdad a chance makes a lot of sense, however the trio are owned lock stock & barrel by the radical left. “it won’t happen”.
They feel, and justifiably so that their political success depends on American failure. That is so shocking, that it is unbelievable.
They take comfort that a war hero like Murtha is out front with them. They loose site of the fact that Benedict Arnold was a war hero.
The American people silently watch, and digest the goings on, and they remember our history about Benedict Arnold.

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