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		<title>By: Decision &#8216;08 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Lieberman Says No Switch, But Leaves The Door Open A Crack</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2007/02/22/lieberman-bombshell/comment-page-1/#comment-243336</link>
		<dc:creator>Decision &#8216;08 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Lieberman Says No Switch, But Leaves The Door Open A Crack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 23:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I said the latest spate of &#8216;Lieberman going GOP&#8217; stories were much ado about nothing yesterday, and today Senator Lieberman used the exact same words to deny them - almost: U.S. Sen. Joe Lieberman rejected speculation Friday that he would join the Republican Party, calling the notion “much ado about nothing.” [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I said the latest spate of &#8216;Lieberman going GOP&#8217; stories were much ado about nothing yesterday, and today Senator Lieberman used the exact same words to deny them &#8211; almost: U.S. Sen. Joe Lieberman rejected speculation Friday that he would join the Republican Party, calling the notion “much ado about nothing.” [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jpe</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2007/02/22/lieberman-bombshell/comment-page-1/#comment-243134</link>
		<dc:creator>jpe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a hard time seeing the switch.  Lieberman&#039;s got it pretty good at the moment.  When one sees that his positions on everything but Iraq don&#039;t line up very well with the GOP, and considering the marginalization and shoddy treatment of the RINOs, I just can&#039;t see the incentives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a hard time seeing the switch.  Lieberman&#8217;s got it pretty good at the moment.  When one sees that his positions on everything but Iraq don&#8217;t line up very well with the GOP, and considering the marginalization and shoddy treatment of the RINOs, I just can&#8217;t see the incentives.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean P</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2007/02/22/lieberman-bombshell/comment-page-1/#comment-243062</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A.L.

Thanks for the links. They contradict what I read about the Senate Rules from a New Republic article back in 2002 and since I&#039;m not any more intimately familiar with the rules of the Senate than you are (my name&#039;s Sean P, not Robert B :) ) I guess the linked post trumps the unlinked post.

Even assuming your sources are correct, however, Lieberman is still a lot more powerful than you give him credit for. It would seem impossible to have a &quot;gentleman&#039;s filibuster&quot; over a change to the rules for organizing the Senate. If nobody agrees on who the Majority leader is, or the committee chairmen are, then there would basically be a shutdown of the Senate until the issue was resovled. So who would lose more? The House is controlled by the Democrats so they would, in effect be fillibustering all of the Democrat sponsored bills that made its way out of the House.

Tommy: Yeah, that Maine seat is looking pretty vunerable on paper right now (Snowe cruised to re-election, but Collins isn&#039;t an institution like she was). I&#039;d add to that list New Hampshire, Colorado and Minnessotta (barring a Franken nomination). Republican pickup opportunities look very good in South Dakota and Arkansas (if Huckabee can be persuaded to give up his hopeless Presidential campaign), but right now I&#039;d say the only way the Republicans can retake the Senate in &#039;08 is a candidate at the top of the ticket with strong appeal to socially moderate swing voters in Colorado and New England to help eke out a victory in at least three of their vunerable seats. Hm, I wonder who that candidate could be?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A.L.</p>
<p>Thanks for the links. They contradict what I read about the Senate Rules from a New Republic article back in 2002 and since I&#8217;m not any more intimately familiar with the rules of the Senate than you are (my name&#8217;s Sean P, not Robert B <img src='http://informedspeculation.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  ) I guess the linked post trumps the unlinked post.</p>
<p>Even assuming your sources are correct, however, Lieberman is still a lot more powerful than you give him credit for. It would seem impossible to have a &#8220;gentleman&#8217;s filibuster&#8221; over a change to the rules for organizing the Senate. If nobody agrees on who the Majority leader is, or the committee chairmen are, then there would basically be a shutdown of the Senate until the issue was resovled. So who would lose more? The House is controlled by the Democrats so they would, in effect be fillibustering all of the Democrat sponsored bills that made its way out of the House.</p>
<p>Tommy: Yeah, that Maine seat is looking pretty vunerable on paper right now (Snowe cruised to re-election, but Collins isn&#8217;t an institution like she was). I&#8217;d add to that list New Hampshire, Colorado and Minnessotta (barring a Franken nomination). Republican pickup opportunities look very good in South Dakota and Arkansas (if Huckabee can be persuaded to give up his hopeless Presidential campaign), but right now I&#8217;d say the only way the Republicans can retake the Senate in &#8217;08 is a candidate at the top of the ticket with strong appeal to socially moderate swing voters in Colorado and New England to help eke out a victory in at least three of their vunerable seats. Hm, I wonder who that candidate could be?</p>
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		<title>By: TommyO</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2007/02/22/lieberman-bombshell/comment-page-1/#comment-242510</link>
		<dc:creator>TommyO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 02:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep an eye on Susan Collins for a flip in the other direction.  The dhimmis in Maine are looking at her as vulnerable in 2008.  She may no longer be the dhimmis favorite Republican.  Oh, that&#039;s right, it was her mentor Bill Cohen who was the favorite.  Like father, like daughter.

She will vote for the slow bleed, without a doubt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep an eye on Susan Collins for a flip in the other direction.  The dhimmis in Maine are looking at her as vulnerable in 2008.  She may no longer be the dhimmis favorite Republican.  Oh, that&#8217;s right, it was her mentor Bill Cohen who was the favorite.  Like father, like daughter.</p>
<p>She will vote for the slow bleed, without a doubt.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous Liberal</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2007/02/22/lieberman-bombshell/comment-page-1/#comment-242464</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous Liberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 00:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and this &lt;a href=&quot;http://politicalinsider.com/2007/02/liebermans_switch_wouldnt_flip.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;too&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and this <a href="http://politicalinsider.com/2007/02/liebermans_switch_wouldnt_flip.html" rel="nofollow">too</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous Liberal</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2007/02/22/lieberman-bombshell/comment-page-1/#comment-242462</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous Liberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 00:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean P,

Since I know nothing about Senate rules, I&#039;m more than willing to defer to you if you know more.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tnr.com/blog/theplank?pid=83207&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s&lt;/a&gt; where I was getting my info, for what it&#039;s worth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean P,</p>
<p>Since I know nothing about Senate rules, I&#8217;m more than willing to defer to you if you know more.  <a href="http://www.tnr.com/blog/theplank?pid=83207" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s</a> where I was getting my info, for what it&#8217;s worth.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean P</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2007/02/22/lieberman-bombshell/comment-page-1/#comment-242423</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 23:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A.L.:

Actually, a Lieberman defection WOULD affect committe control. The rule in 2001 you are referring to was an agreement to split all committee assignments evenly to reflect the 50-50 senate split in the wake of the 2000 elections (at the time, Republicans were worried about losing control over the untimely demise of Strom Thurmond and were willing to cut a deal).

Since the rule in effect wasn&#039;t conditioned on power remaining in the Republican hands, they didn&#039;t lose any committee seats. This meant that when Jeffords switched, Republicans replaced Jefford&#039;s seat on certain committees with a non-defecting Republican, while the Democrats were forced, as part of their deal with Jefforts to give up seats on committees Jeffords was already sitting on to take over the majority (!) a result that likely rankled a few Democrats. If Lieberman switched, however, the Republicans would probably gain 2 seats on each committee. So for every committee Lieberman was sitting on, Republicans would get one new member, plus Lieberman, and for every committee Lieberman wasn&#039;t sitting on they&#039;d get 2.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A.L.:</p>
<p>Actually, a Lieberman defection WOULD affect committe control. The rule in 2001 you are referring to was an agreement to split all committee assignments evenly to reflect the 50-50 senate split in the wake of the 2000 elections (at the time, Republicans were worried about losing control over the untimely demise of Strom Thurmond and were willing to cut a deal).</p>
<p>Since the rule in effect wasn&#8217;t conditioned on power remaining in the Republican hands, they didn&#8217;t lose any committee seats. This meant that when Jeffords switched, Republicans replaced Jefford&#8217;s seat on certain committees with a non-defecting Republican, while the Democrats were forced, as part of their deal with Jefforts to give up seats on committees Jeffords was already sitting on to take over the majority (!) a result that likely rankled a few Democrats. If Lieberman switched, however, the Republicans would probably gain 2 seats on each committee. So for every committee Lieberman was sitting on, Republicans would get one new member, plus Lieberman, and for every committee Lieberman wasn&#8217;t sitting on they&#8217;d get 2.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean P</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2007/02/22/lieberman-bombshell/comment-page-1/#comment-242414</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 23:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It probably won&#039;t happen, because Reid knows better than to push Lieberman too far. What it DOES mean, however, is that -- assuming the Murtha &quot;slow bleed&quot; provisions get included into the House military appropriation bill -- Reid will be forced to hold a vote specifically on whether the Murtha provision should included in the bill*. This would give Bush time to lobby the seven wobbling Republicans and put some electoral pressure on the 12 Democrats up for re-election in 2008.

* There is always the filibuster in the Senate, of course, but if I&#039;m not mistaken appropriations bills are exempt from the filibuster protection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It probably won&#8217;t happen, because Reid knows better than to push Lieberman too far. What it DOES mean, however, is that &#8212; assuming the Murtha &#8220;slow bleed&#8221; provisions get included into the House military appropriation bill &#8212; Reid will be forced to hold a vote specifically on whether the Murtha provision should included in the bill*. This would give Bush time to lobby the seven wobbling Republicans and put some electoral pressure on the 12 Democrats up for re-election in 2008.</p>
<p>* There is always the filibuster in the Senate, of course, but if I&#8217;m not mistaken appropriations bills are exempt from the filibuster protection.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous Liberal</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2007/02/22/lieberman-bombshell/comment-page-1/#comment-242411</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous Liberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 23:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I understand Senate rules correctly, Lieberman isn&#039;t actually all that powerful.  I believe that as things stand, even if he switched parties it wouldn&#039;t effect Senate control or committee control.  The only reason that happened in 2001 was because of a deal that was in place, one that no longer exists.  And given the breakdown of Senate seats up for election in 2008, it seems highly likely that the Dems will pick up at least a few more seats.  In which case Joe would really be unimportant.  That&#039;s why I don&#039;t think he&#039;ll switch.  If he did, he&#039;d be just another Republican and no one would listen to him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I understand Senate rules correctly, Lieberman isn&#8217;t actually all that powerful.  I believe that as things stand, even if he switched parties it wouldn&#8217;t effect Senate control or committee control.  The only reason that happened in 2001 was because of a deal that was in place, one that no longer exists.  And given the breakdown of Senate seats up for election in 2008, it seems highly likely that the Dems will pick up at least a few more seats.  In which case Joe would really be unimportant.  That&#8217;s why I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;ll switch.  If he did, he&#8217;d be just another Republican and no one would listen to him.</p>
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