Comments on: AP: Democrats In ‘Disarray’ On Iraq http://informedspeculation.com/2007/02/27/ap-democrats-in-disarray-on-iraq/ Refunds Cheerfully Given To All Who Disagree Sat, 07 Apr 2012 09:00:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Right Voices » Blog Archive » Sen. Carl Levin:“I think we ought to take action on all fronts including Syria.” http://informedspeculation.com/2007/02/27/ap-democrats-in-disarray-on-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-246572 Right Voices » Blog Archive » Sen. Carl Levin:“I think we ought to take action on all fronts including Syria.” Wed, 28 Feb 2007 00:43:34 +0000 http://decision08.net/2007/02/27/ap-democrats-in-disarray-on-iraq/#comment-246572 [...] See: Democrats Split Over Iraq Plan Details  QandO, Captain’s Quarters, Flopping Aces, Transterrestrial Musings, Decision ‘08 and Blue Crab Boulevard McQ / QandO:   ON IRAQ, CARL LEVIN CAN’T WIN, NOR CAN THE DEMOCRATS (UPDATE) Ed Morrissey / Captain’s Quarters:   Democrats Hit Reverse On Hitting Reverse Curt / Flopping Aces:   The Democrats Soft Shoe On Iraq Rand Simberg / Transterrestrial Musings:   CONVENTIONAL UNWISDOM Mark / Decision ‘08:   AP: Democrats In ‘Disarray’ On Iraq Gaius / Blue Crab Boulevard:   Overplayed  —  It appears that at least some sanity … [...] [...] See: Democrats Split Over Iraq Plan Details  QandO, Captain’s Quarters, Flopping Aces, Transterrestrial Musings, Decision ‘08 and Blue Crab Boulevard McQ / QandO:   ON IRAQ, CARL LEVIN CAN’T WIN, NOR CAN THE DEMOCRATS (UPDATE) Ed Morrissey / Captain’s Quarters:   Democrats Hit Reverse On Hitting Reverse Curt / Flopping Aces:   The Democrats Soft Shoe On Iraq Rand Simberg / Transterrestrial Musings:   CONVENTIONAL UNWISDOM Mark / Decision ‘08:   AP: Democrats In ‘Disarray’ On Iraq Gaius / Blue Crab Boulevard:   Overplayed  —  It appears that at least some sanity … [...]

]]> By: Mark http://informedspeculation.com/2007/02/27/ap-democrats-in-disarray-on-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-246566 Mark Wed, 28 Feb 2007 00:31:52 +0000 http://decision08.net/2007/02/27/ap-democrats-in-disarray-on-iraq/#comment-246566 My unifying principle is that I am for giving the surge a chance to work, so my commentary on this issue is colored by that - anything that delays Congressional action to undercut our troops and commanders, I'm all in favor of... My unifying principle is that I am for giving the surge a chance to work, so my commentary on this issue is colored by that – anything that delays Congressional action to undercut our troops and commanders, I’m all in favor of…

]]> By: Fargus http://informedspeculation.com/2007/02/27/ap-democrats-in-disarray-on-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-246543 Fargus Tue, 27 Feb 2007 23:53:58 +0000 http://decision08.net/2007/02/27/ap-democrats-in-disarray-on-iraq/#comment-246543 It's because they're actually trying to get something that Republicans will vote for. They haven't accepted that all of them are so morally bankrupt that they'll stick by ol' Prezzy Boy no matter what they say to the contrary before the vote. Because I guess when the rubber hits the road.....I don't know. I don't know why they're sticking by him. But Mark, your criticisms of the Democrats now, compared with your praise of the Republicans before, and vice versa, seems to betray a bit of a lack of any kind of central unifying principle in your opinions on Congress's action (or inactions). It’s because they’re actually trying to get something that Republicans will vote for. They haven’t accepted that all of them are so morally bankrupt that they’ll stick by ol’ Prezzy Boy no matter what they say to the contrary before the vote. Because I guess when the rubber hits the road…..I don’t know. I don’t know why they’re sticking by him.

But Mark, your criticisms of the Democrats now, compared with your praise of the Republicans before, and vice versa, seems to betray a bit of a lack of any kind of central unifying principle in your opinions on Congress’s action (or inactions).

]]> By: Aaron http://informedspeculation.com/2007/02/27/ap-democrats-in-disarray-on-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-246535 Aaron Tue, 27 Feb 2007 23:30:35 +0000 http://decision08.net/2007/02/27/ap-democrats-in-disarray-on-iraq/#comment-246535 I think it was mostly that Republican voters had become disillusioned with their party. Fiscal conservatives weren't happy about the excessive spending. Religious conservatives were angry that President Bush didn't mention a Federal Marriage Amendment after the 2005 SOTU and that he appointed Harriet Myers to the Supreme Court. And the lack of instant success in Iraq dissillusioned a lot of neo-cons. Also, President Bush's primary goal in his 2nd term -- SS reform -- floundered, so the GOP was without an overall message other than, "If you're not happy now, you'll be less happy with them." I think it was mostly that Republican voters had become disillusioned with their party. Fiscal conservatives weren’t happy about the excessive spending. Religious conservatives were angry that President Bush didn’t mention a Federal Marriage Amendment after the 2005 SOTU and that he appointed Harriet Myers to the Supreme Court. And the lack of instant success in Iraq dissillusioned a lot of neo-cons.

Also, President Bush’s primary goal in his 2nd term — SS reform — floundered, so the GOP was without an overall message other than, “If you’re not happy now, you’ll be less happy with them.”

]]> By: Mark http://informedspeculation.com/2007/02/27/ap-democrats-in-disarray-on-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-246454 Mark Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:39:23 +0000 http://decision08.net/2007/02/27/ap-democrats-in-disarray-on-iraq/#comment-246454 I don't think he was, actually...very few people are foolish enough to take an isolated incident like the Foley thing and generalize it to an entire political party, despite the best attempts of the liberal blogosphere... I don’t think he was, actually…very few people are foolish enough to take an isolated incident like the Foley thing and generalize it to an entire political party, despite the best attempts of the liberal blogosphere…

]]> By: mikebdot http://informedspeculation.com/2007/02/27/ap-democrats-in-disarray-on-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-246431 mikebdot Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:09:02 +0000 http://decision08.net/2007/02/27/ap-democrats-in-disarray-on-iraq/#comment-246431 Mark Foley wasn't on voter's minds though...notta one. Mark Foley wasn’t on voter’s minds though…notta one.

]]> By: Mark http://informedspeculation.com/2007/02/27/ap-democrats-in-disarray-on-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-246338 Mark Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:51:49 +0000 http://decision08.net/2007/02/27/ap-democrats-in-disarray-on-iraq/#comment-246338 Well, I must say, I question the notion that Iraq was the sole reason for the Dems' big '06 victory. A reason, yes, but there was also the whole corrupt/inept Republican thing, too... Well, I must say, I question the notion that Iraq was the sole reason for the Dems’ big ’06 victory. A reason, yes, but there was also the whole corrupt/inept Republican thing, too…

]]> By: too many steves http://informedspeculation.com/2007/02/27/ap-democrats-in-disarray-on-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-246275 too many steves Tue, 27 Feb 2007 17:52:05 +0000 http://decision08.net/2007/02/27/ap-democrats-in-disarray-on-iraq/#comment-246275 If they were "Swept into power by voters clamoring for an end to the war" then why are they afraid to act? Is it simple fear that the voters are fickle and will punish them for ending the war? Do they fear the Republicans accusing them of giving up? Are they worried about reinforcing the opinion that they are soft on issues of national security? Do they know something we don't? Could it be they lack the courage of their convictions? Or maybe their only concerns are political? Or their leaders just aren't? Perhaps the bipartisan opposition to the war has some practical limits? If they were “Swept into power by voters clamoring for an end to the war” then why are they afraid to act? Is it simple fear that the voters are fickle and will punish them for ending the war? Do they fear the Republicans accusing them of giving up? Are they worried about reinforcing the opinion that they are soft on issues of national security?

Do they know something we don’t? Could it be they lack the courage of their convictions? Or maybe their only concerns are political? Or their leaders just aren’t? Perhaps the bipartisan opposition to the war has some practical limits?

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