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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2007/03/21/gonzales-showdown-intensifies/comment-page-1/#comment-264007</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 23:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Domenici calling Iglesias at home and then hanging up on him was a really big deal. Peter is right there is a lot of evidence, I sure there would be enough to get a warrent in a criminal case (not sure what the standard is for subpoenas in the executive branch). By your standard, a case would have to be proven before the investigation.

And by the way, Rove has opened himself up for this by making public statements that the seven were fired for bad performance, which by the way there is no evidence of.

A second by the way Wavemaker, ranting about &quot;partisian a**holes fishing for evidence,&quot; does not contribute to the discussion on this matter. But, I guess that gives us a pretty good picture of why you can&#039;t see anything wrong in what this administration has done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Domenici calling Iglesias at home and then hanging up on him was a really big deal. Peter is right there is a lot of evidence, I sure there would be enough to get a warrent in a criminal case (not sure what the standard is for subpoenas in the executive branch). By your standard, a case would have to be proven before the investigation.</p>
<p>And by the way, Rove has opened himself up for this by making public statements that the seven were fired for bad performance, which by the way there is no evidence of.</p>
<p>A second by the way Wavemaker, ranting about &#8220;partisian a**holes fishing for evidence,&#8221; does not contribute to the discussion on this matter. But, I guess that gives us a pretty good picture of why you can&#8217;t see anything wrong in what this administration has done.</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2007/03/21/gonzales-showdown-intensifies/comment-page-1/#comment-263994</link>
		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 23:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I’m not sure I understand your first question.  If you ask if there is anyone else in Iglesias’s office who can corroborate his assertions, then I don’t know the answer.

His assertion that he got a call from Domenici asking about an ongoing criminal investigation is not an allegation and is not in dispute.  Domenici confirmed that he made the call.  It is a violation of Congressional ethics to call a prosecutor about an ongoing investigation (with the sole exception being if the Congressman has material information about the case).  The larger issue, of course, is the way in which using the levers of government power to elect Republicans and defeat Democrats violates such basic tenets of our legal system as the impartiality of justice.  Does this give the Senate the right to subpoena any Republican in the world?  Of course not.  Does it give the Senate the right to subpoena people in the Justice Department and White House who were involved?  Absolutely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m not sure I understand your first question.  If you ask if there is anyone else in Iglesias’s office who can corroborate his assertions, then I don’t know the answer.</p>
<p>His assertion that he got a call from Domenici asking about an ongoing criminal investigation is not an allegation and is not in dispute.  Domenici confirmed that he made the call.  It is a violation of Congressional ethics to call a prosecutor about an ongoing investigation (with the sole exception being if the Congressman has material information about the case).  The larger issue, of course, is the way in which using the levers of government power to elect Republicans and defeat Democrats violates such basic tenets of our legal system as the impartiality of justice.  Does this give the Senate the right to subpoena any Republican in the world?  Of course not.  Does it give the Senate the right to subpoena people in the Justice Department and White House who were involved?  Absolutely.</p>
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		<title>By: wavemaker</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2007/03/21/gonzales-showdown-intensifies/comment-page-1/#comment-263985</link>
		<dc:creator>wavemaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 22:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>peter, you say there is so much evidence, and then simply parrot the talking points of the Dems and the AAG alone. Query: Do you think that Iglesias alone would be the only AAG in his office that would be in a position to present evidence of his claim? And even if his assertion was true, he got a call from his own Senator, Domenici. Does that give a green light to subpoena any Republican?

You appear to overlook the distincition between evidence and allegation.

His &quot;job approval ratings&quot; or whatever are not evidence of wrongdoing. They are evidence of small-U &quot;unfairness&quot;, at least to him, but do not support claim of illegal conduct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>peter, you say there is so much evidence, and then simply parrot the talking points of the Dems and the AAG alone. Query: Do you think that Iglesias alone would be the only AAG in his office that would be in a position to present evidence of his claim? And even if his assertion was true, he got a call from his own Senator, Domenici. Does that give a green light to subpoena any Republican?</p>
<p>You appear to overlook the distincition between evidence and allegation.</p>
<p>His &#8220;job approval ratings&#8221; or whatever are not evidence of wrongdoing. They are evidence of small-U &#8220;unfairness&#8221;, at least to him, but do not support claim of illegal conduct.</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2007/03/21/gonzales-showdown-intensifies/comment-page-1/#comment-263953</link>
		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 21:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, left out a negative in the first sentence.  But you know what I meant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, left out a negative in the first sentence.  But you know what I meant.</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2007/03/21/gonzales-showdown-intensifies/comment-page-1/#comment-263952</link>
		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 21:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is so much evidence (as opposed to allegation and innuendo) that it is inconceivable that most or all of the Gonzales Eight were fired for not using the law to advance Republican electoral interests.  Seven of the eight received positive evaluations of their performance at the Justice Department.  The New Mexico DA was fired after he refused to indict for bogus vote fraud allegations.  Ditto for the Washington DA.  A day after the San Diego DA informed the Justice Department of search warrants in a Republican bribery case, the AG’s Chief of Staff complained to the White House of a “real problem” with her.  And so forth.  This is a case of res ipsa loquitur – the thing speaks for itself.  If this is a “partisan fishing expedition,” then so was Watergate.

What I find amusing in Bush’s statement that “We will not go along with a partisan fishing expedition aimed at honorable public servants”  is this:  wasn’t it a partisan fishing expedition aimed at honorable public servants which got them into this mess in the first place?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is so much evidence (as opposed to allegation and innuendo) that it is inconceivable that most or all of the Gonzales Eight were fired for not using the law to advance Republican electoral interests.  Seven of the eight received positive evaluations of their performance at the Justice Department.  The New Mexico DA was fired after he refused to indict for bogus vote fraud allegations.  Ditto for the Washington DA.  A day after the San Diego DA informed the Justice Department of search warrants in a Republican bribery case, the AG’s Chief of Staff complained to the White House of a “real problem” with her.  And so forth.  This is a case of res ipsa loquitur – the thing speaks for itself.  If this is a “partisan fishing expedition,” then so was Watergate.</p>
<p>What I find amusing in Bush’s statement that “We will not go along with a partisan fishing expedition aimed at honorable public servants”  is this:  wasn’t it a partisan fishing expedition aimed at honorable public servants which got them into this mess in the first place?</p>
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		<title>By: Fargus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fargus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 21:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or, if you&#039;re Tony Snow, you can just claim that Congress doesn&#039;t have the right to perform oversight functions on the executive branch.

Makes me throw up in my mouth, just a little.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or, if you&#8217;re Tony Snow, you can just claim that Congress doesn&#8217;t have the right to perform oversight functions on the executive branch.</p>
<p>Makes me throw up in my mouth, just a little.</p>
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		<title>By: wavemaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>wavemaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 20:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott, while I agree with your view regarding the gravity of such allegedly improper actions, the question is whether or not Congress can seek to subpoena WHO officials without some existing evidence (as opposed to allegation or innuendo) that such activity actually took place. All we&#039;ve seen so far are some loose allegations and coincidence-connecting.  You can&#039;t just start sending subpoenas down to the WH when you feel like &lt;a href=&quot;http://screenshotblog.blogspot.com/2007/03/what-they-said.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;fishing for evidence&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott, while I agree with your view regarding the gravity of such allegedly improper actions, the question is whether or not Congress can seek to subpoena WHO officials without some existing evidence (as opposed to allegation or innuendo) that such activity actually took place. All we&#8217;ve seen so far are some loose allegations and coincidence-connecting.  You can&#8217;t just start sending subpoenas down to the WH when you feel like <a href="http://screenshotblog.blogspot.com/2007/03/what-they-said.html" rel="nofollow">fishing for evidence</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Fargus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fargus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 18:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How dare you, Scott.  Gwedd has an inside track on the facts, obviously.  We should all defer to his superior knowledge of the situation (which curiously always tends to favor the Republicans).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How dare you, Scott.  Gwedd has an inside track on the facts, obviously.  We should all defer to his superior knowledge of the situation (which curiously always tends to favor the Republicans).</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2007/03/21/gonzales-showdown-intensifies/comment-page-1/#comment-263811</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 17:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Alice in Wonderland?&quot;  Really?  &quot;NOTHING?&quot;  Really? Would it be improper for the administration to sack an attorney because they were not pursuing voter irregularities in districts won by democrats (excluding those where republicans won)?  Would it be improper for the administration to sack an attorney who was pursing republican corruption?  Would it be improper for the administration to sack an attorney was in the midst of a conflict with a sitting republican Senator and Representative over how to handle indictments favorable to the republican party?

Additionally might it be improper to claim that attorneys were being sacked because of sub-par performance when in fact they were being sacked because they were not loyal bushies.  How about provided false information to the public and congress?

You want to quibble about pleasure of the president and illegality vs impropriety?  Is this what you have been reduced to?  This is what the public hated about Clinton and are currently dimissing the president as irrelavant for.

Look, I don&#039;t know if it was illegal and neither do you.  In our country, we believe in transparency because the image of impropriety is just as bad as actual impropriety.  Congress is well within its rights to ask questions.  Elections have consequences.  In this case the consequences are consistent with the will of the people - to provide oversight to an incompetent and untrusted executive branch.  Your comments about democrat corruption in this context are some kind of flight into fantasy and do not deserve a response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Alice in Wonderland?&#8221;  Really?  &#8220;NOTHING?&#8221;  Really? Would it be improper for the administration to sack an attorney because they were not pursuing voter irregularities in districts won by democrats (excluding those where republicans won)?  Would it be improper for the administration to sack an attorney who was pursing republican corruption?  Would it be improper for the administration to sack an attorney was in the midst of a conflict with a sitting republican Senator and Representative over how to handle indictments favorable to the republican party?</p>
<p>Additionally might it be improper to claim that attorneys were being sacked because of sub-par performance when in fact they were being sacked because they were not loyal bushies.  How about provided false information to the public and congress?</p>
<p>You want to quibble about pleasure of the president and illegality vs impropriety?  Is this what you have been reduced to?  This is what the public hated about Clinton and are currently dimissing the president as irrelavant for.</p>
<p>Look, I don&#8217;t know if it was illegal and neither do you.  In our country, we believe in transparency because the image of impropriety is just as bad as actual impropriety.  Congress is well within its rights to ask questions.  Elections have consequences.  In this case the consequences are consistent with the will of the people &#8211; to provide oversight to an incompetent and untrusted executive branch.  Your comments about democrat corruption in this context are some kind of flight into fantasy and do not deserve a response.</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 16:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If this case makes it to the Supreme Court, would Roberts and Alioto have to recuse themselves?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this case makes it to the Supreme Court, would Roberts and Alioto have to recuse themselves?</p>
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