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		<title>By: Ryan Bonneville</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2007/07/18/dirty-harry-the-self-indulgent/comment-page-1/#comment-319216</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Bonneville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark: I notice you changed the subject and responded to something I didn&#039;t even say.  Well done.

I didn&#039;t call anyone heartless.  I believe the word I used was &quot;realistic&quot;, which the Republican Party is eminently being about Darfur.  As much as the left seems to want boots on the ground and regime change there (we&#039;ll save their hypocrisy for another time), the GOP and the President are resisting that call.  Granted, they&#039;re tossing around the word &quot;genocide&quot; as a sop to the lazy among us who are happy to take moral outrage as long as there&#039;s no cost to us (both parties have a monopoly on this one, although conservative bloggers have really set a new standard), but I can live with that.  American soldiers aren&#039;t dying for a quixotic crusade in Darfur and they didn&#039;t die for one in Kosovo either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark: I notice you changed the subject and responded to something I didn&#8217;t even say.  Well done.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t call anyone heartless.  I believe the word I used was &#8220;realistic&#8221;, which the Republican Party is eminently being about Darfur.  As much as the left seems to want boots on the ground and regime change there (we&#8217;ll save their hypocrisy for another time), the GOP and the President are resisting that call.  Granted, they&#8217;re tossing around the word &#8220;genocide&#8221; as a sop to the lazy among us who are happy to take moral outrage as long as there&#8217;s no cost to us (both parties have a monopoly on this one, although conservative bloggers have really set a new standard), but I can live with that.  American soldiers aren&#8217;t dying for a quixotic crusade in Darfur and they didn&#8217;t die for one in Kosovo either.</p>
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		<title>By: doug</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2007/07/18/dirty-harry-the-self-indulgent/comment-page-1/#comment-319157</link>
		<dc:creator>doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Surge began ...key word &quot;began&quot; 6 months ago. Perhaps you believe that these additional 30K soldiers were just beamed down from outer space.   The full compliment finally arrived in the past month and have been moved out into the Forward bases.   Has the American public become so accustomed to having everything instantly done that they have lost all sense of time and space?   General Patreaus&#039; report is to give an update of the progress to that point in time in Sept.  By my calender mid Sept is still almost 2 months away.   For all of these people in our esteemed congress to claim it is a failure already, is to be claiming they can know the future.

The security and breathing room is not quite there yet for the Iraqi government to do what it needs to do, but for anyone to think this will ever be achieved if we pull out of here they are deluding themselves.   The situation in the city of Baghdad itself is improving.  You still wouldn&#039;t want to take a long walk on the wrong side of the river by yourself, but it is getting better.

Our idiots in the congress and the mainstream media need to get off this kick that they have it all figured out and all we need to do to make the bad guys go away is to simply close our eyes and sing happy songs.   Might make you feel better for a few days but it won&#039;t make anyone safer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Surge began &#8230;key word &#8220;began&#8221; 6 months ago. Perhaps you believe that these additional 30K soldiers were just beamed down from outer space.   The full compliment finally arrived in the past month and have been moved out into the Forward bases.   Has the American public become so accustomed to having everything instantly done that they have lost all sense of time and space?   General Patreaus&#8217; report is to give an update of the progress to that point in time in Sept.  By my calender mid Sept is still almost 2 months away.   For all of these people in our esteemed congress to claim it is a failure already, is to be claiming they can know the future.</p>
<p>The security and breathing room is not quite there yet for the Iraqi government to do what it needs to do, but for anyone to think this will ever be achieved if we pull out of here they are deluding themselves.   The situation in the city of Baghdad itself is improving.  You still wouldn&#8217;t want to take a long walk on the wrong side of the river by yourself, but it is getting better.</p>
<p>Our idiots in the congress and the mainstream media need to get off this kick that they have it all figured out and all we need to do to make the bad guys go away is to simply close our eyes and sing happy songs.   Might make you feel better for a few days but it won&#8217;t make anyone safer.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2007/07/18/dirty-harry-the-self-indulgent/comment-page-1/#comment-319060</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 02:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, cruel-hearted Republicans, never giving billions of dollars to fight AIDS in Africa or...oh, wait.  George W. Bush did that, didn&#039;t he? In fact, he gave far more than Clinton.  And who was it that called Darfur a genocide? Oh, the Bush administration, that&#039;s right.  And who is it who is leading the charge to do MORE about Darfur? Social conservatives, even - gasp! - religious conservatives in the Republican Party.

Yep, we&#039;re heartless bastards, all right...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, cruel-hearted Republicans, never giving billions of dollars to fight AIDS in Africa or&#8230;oh, wait.  George W. Bush did that, didn&#8217;t he? In fact, he gave far more than Clinton.  And who was it that called Darfur a genocide? Oh, the Bush administration, that&#8217;s right.  And who is it who is leading the charge to do MORE about Darfur? Social conservatives, even &#8211; gasp! &#8211; religious conservatives in the Republican Party.</p>
<p>Yep, we&#8217;re heartless bastards, all right&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Bonneville</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2007/07/18/dirty-harry-the-self-indulgent/comment-page-1/#comment-319027</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Bonneville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 23:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, here&#039;s the difference: Democrats have never pretended they were doing anything else.  I notice everyone&#039;s opposition to the filibuster was a lot more principled when the Democrats were using it.

GCB: For three years, the President has mismanaged and mangled this war at every opportunity.  At best he&#039;s naive and incompetent; at worst he&#039;s completely deranged (see Ross Douthat&#039;s recent discussion of his messiah complex for some perspective).  I see no reason to trust Plans B, C, or D at this point.  The Iraqi government has failed to meet its objectives, we have failed to secure the country or provide any incentive for the government to do its job, and we&#039;re already standing in the middle of a civil war.  On top of that, George Bush isn&#039;t president of Iraq - he&#039;s president of the US.  And his duty is to keep Americans - including American soldiers - alive.  Iraq is severely frustrating that objective.

Also, while we&#039;re on the topic of Republican hypocrisy, I don&#039;t remember Republicans caring so much about the suffering of others in Kosovo or Darfur.  People are dying all over the world and it&#039;s terrible, but we&#039;re supposed to be the realistic ones.  It&#039;s time to end this Wilsonian lunacy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, here&#8217;s the difference: Democrats have never pretended they were doing anything else.  I notice everyone&#8217;s opposition to the filibuster was a lot more principled when the Democrats were using it.</p>
<p>GCB: For three years, the President has mismanaged and mangled this war at every opportunity.  At best he&#8217;s naive and incompetent; at worst he&#8217;s completely deranged (see Ross Douthat&#8217;s recent discussion of his messiah complex for some perspective).  I see no reason to trust Plans B, C, or D at this point.  The Iraqi government has failed to meet its objectives, we have failed to secure the country or provide any incentive for the government to do its job, and we&#8217;re already standing in the middle of a civil war.  On top of that, George Bush isn&#8217;t president of Iraq &#8211; he&#8217;s president of the US.  And his duty is to keep Americans &#8211; including American soldiers &#8211; alive.  Iraq is severely frustrating that objective.</p>
<p>Also, while we&#8217;re on the topic of Republican hypocrisy, I don&#8217;t remember Republicans caring so much about the suffering of others in Kosovo or Darfur.  People are dying all over the world and it&#8217;s terrible, but we&#8217;re supposed to be the realistic ones.  It&#8217;s time to end this Wilsonian lunacy.</p>
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		<title>By: Fargus</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2007/07/18/dirty-harry-the-self-indulgent/comment-page-1/#comment-318996</link>
		<dc:creator>Fargus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never said anything that contradicts that, Mark.  But I&#039;d say that in large part, the Republicans are doing it not to pursue their own agenda, but to make it look like the Democrats can&#039;t get anything passed.  Why else would they block the overwhelmingly supported Ethics Reform bill?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never said anything that contradicts that, Mark.  But I&#8217;d say that in large part, the Republicans are doing it not to pursue their own agenda, but to make it look like the Democrats can&#8217;t get anything passed.  Why else would they block the overwhelmingly supported Ethics Reform bill?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2007/07/18/dirty-harry-the-self-indulgent/comment-page-1/#comment-318992</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys, the Republicans are using the rules of the Senate to push their political agenda.  That is their job...period...the Democrats do the same thing when they are in the minority.

It&#039;s not &#039;unfair&#039;, it&#039;s how the system was purposely set up...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys, the Republicans are using the rules of the Senate to push their political agenda.  That is their job&#8230;period&#8230;the Democrats do the same thing when they are in the minority.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not &#8216;unfair&#8217;, it&#8217;s how the system was purposely set up&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Fargus</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2007/07/18/dirty-harry-the-self-indulgent/comment-page-1/#comment-318977</link>
		<dc:creator>Fargus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris -

The numbers that show 14% approval for Congress are based on polls that ask people their opinion of Congress at large.  Everyone has a dismal opinion of Congress at large, but many people don&#039;t have that negative an opinion of &lt;i&gt;their own Congressmen&lt;/i&gt;.  As Ryan noted, Democrats are pissed because the Congress hasn&#039;t ended the war, and Republicans are pissed because Congress is trying to end the war.  As Ryan also said, the Republicans have been stonewalling &lt;i&gt;everything&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris -</p>
<p>The numbers that show 14% approval for Congress are based on polls that ask people their opinion of Congress at large.  Everyone has a dismal opinion of Congress at large, but many people don&#8217;t have that negative an opinion of <i>their own Congressmen</i>.  As Ryan noted, Democrats are pissed because the Congress hasn&#8217;t ended the war, and Republicans are pissed because Congress is trying to end the war.  As Ryan also said, the Republicans have been stonewalling <i>everything</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2007/07/18/dirty-harry-the-self-indulgent/comment-page-1/#comment-318947</link>
		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1)  The surge started in February, nearly six months ago.  

2)  The stated purpose of the surge was to provide enough breathing room for the Iraqi government to do the things it was asked to do.  Few (if any) of these things have been done:  in fact, they are going on vacation next month.  Even if the surge has shown military success -- which is at best uncertain -- the complete lack of progress from the Iraqis shows that the policy behind it is flawed.  I&#039;m not sure what Patreus&#039;s report can do to avoid this central fact, or why we ought to wait any further before scaling down our involvement in this sorry mess.

3)  &quot;The question is, how are we best going to extricate ourselves from this situation?&quot;  Absolutely correct.  The House voted on a bill which answers that question.  It&#039;s regrettable that the Senate Republicans prevented an up-or-down vote on the same bill.  If they truly believe that we ought to continue our involvement in Iraq, they ought to have the courage to stand up and be counted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1)  The surge started in February, nearly six months ago.  </p>
<p>2)  The stated purpose of the surge was to provide enough breathing room for the Iraqi government to do the things it was asked to do.  Few (if any) of these things have been done:  in fact, they are going on vacation next month.  Even if the surge has shown military success &#8212; which is at best uncertain &#8212; the complete lack of progress from the Iraqis shows that the policy behind it is flawed.  I&#8217;m not sure what Patreus&#8217;s report can do to avoid this central fact, or why we ought to wait any further before scaling down our involvement in this sorry mess.</p>
<p>3)  &#8220;The question is, how are we best going to extricate ourselves from this situation?&#8221;  Absolutely correct.  The House voted on a bill which answers that question.  It&#8217;s regrettable that the Senate Republicans prevented an up-or-down vote on the same bill.  If they truly believe that we ought to continue our involvement in Iraq, they ought to have the courage to stand up and be counted.</p>
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		<title>By: Gulf Coast Bandit</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2007/07/18/dirty-harry-the-self-indulgent/comment-page-1/#comment-318936</link>
		<dc:creator>Gulf Coast Bandit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It would be funny if it weren&#039;t getting people killed.&quot;

And the Levin-Reed amendment that they were talk-a-thoning the other night would lead to a precipitous withdrawal such that the UN Sec-Gen (and don&#039;t ask when I started listening to the Secretary-General, it was about the time the other side started ignoring him) warned against it... and just how many people would that kill? Dropping an entire country into chaos would be funny if it weren&#039;t for the people getting killed.

Bush lied, people died. Maybe. But at this point, how we got into Iraq is irrelevant. It&#039;s not like we want people to die. Everybody wants to get out of Iraq. Nobody wants indefinite occupation. The question is, how are we best going to extricate ourselves from this situation?

We have a strategy. It&#039;s called the surge. We&#039;re going to hear from General Petraeus in September, a general who was unanimously approved by the Senate to take over in Iraq, about whether or not this surge is working. If it&#039;s not working, then we can re-evaluate the situation.

But for the love of everything remotely strategic, why in the hell are the Democrats attempting to undermine a strategy just implemented 2 months ago?

It would be funny if it wouldn&#039;t lead to getting people killed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It would be funny if it weren&#8217;t getting people killed.&#8221;</p>
<p>And the Levin-Reed amendment that they were talk-a-thoning the other night would lead to a precipitous withdrawal such that the UN Sec-Gen (and don&#8217;t ask when I started listening to the Secretary-General, it was about the time the other side started ignoring him) warned against it&#8230; and just how many people would that kill? Dropping an entire country into chaos would be funny if it weren&#8217;t for the people getting killed.</p>
<p>Bush lied, people died. Maybe. But at this point, how we got into Iraq is irrelevant. It&#8217;s not like we want people to die. Everybody wants to get out of Iraq. Nobody wants indefinite occupation. The question is, how are we best going to extricate ourselves from this situation?</p>
<p>We have a strategy. It&#8217;s called the surge. We&#8217;re going to hear from General Petraeus in September, a general who was unanimously approved by the Senate to take over in Iraq, about whether or not this surge is working. If it&#8217;s not working, then we can re-evaluate the situation.</p>
<p>But for the love of everything remotely strategic, why in the hell are the Democrats attempting to undermine a strategy just implemented 2 months ago?</p>
<p>It would be funny if it wouldn&#8217;t lead to getting people killed.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Bonneville</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2007/07/18/dirty-harry-the-self-indulgent/comment-page-1/#comment-318932</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Bonneville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it should be perfectly clear why everyone is disgusted with the Democrats: failure to end the war.  The average American isn&#039;t going to take the time to sort out how filibusters work and how the Democrats don&#039;t have the votes, which is why Hillary and Biden have spent so much time talking about it during the debates.  They need people to understand that the Republicans are stonewalling this stuff.

My guess is that&#039;s not going to work.  That&#039;s politics: truth is no match for spin.  And as long as the Republicans can continue this perverse charade everyone suffers for it.  It would be funny if it weren&#039;t getting people killed.  I hope we remember this next time Republicans say ANYTHING deserves an &quot;up or down&quot; vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it should be perfectly clear why everyone is disgusted with the Democrats: failure to end the war.  The average American isn&#8217;t going to take the time to sort out how filibusters work and how the Democrats don&#8217;t have the votes, which is why Hillary and Biden have spent so much time talking about it during the debates.  They need people to understand that the Republicans are stonewalling this stuff.</p>
<p>My guess is that&#8217;s not going to work.  That&#8217;s politics: truth is no match for spin.  And as long as the Republicans can continue this perverse charade everyone suffers for it.  It would be funny if it weren&#8217;t getting people killed.  I hope we remember this next time Republicans say ANYTHING deserves an &#8220;up or down&#8221; vote.</p>
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