Comments on: While We’re Waiting For The Polls To Close In Wisconsin… http://informedspeculation.com/2008/02/19/while-were-waiting-for-the-polls-to-close-in-wisconsin/ Refunds Cheerfully Given To All Who Disagree Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:53:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Mark http://informedspeculation.com/2008/02/19/while-were-waiting-for-the-polls-to-close-in-wisconsin/comment-page-1/#comment-457654 Mark Thu, 21 Feb 2008 02:59:35 +0000 http://decision08.net/2008/02/19/while-were-waiting-for-the-polls-to-close-in-wisconsin/#comment-457654 mike, see my newest post in just a few... mike, see my newest post in just a few…

]]> By: peter http://informedspeculation.com/2008/02/19/while-were-waiting-for-the-polls-to-close-in-wisconsin/comment-page-1/#comment-457582 peter Wed, 20 Feb 2008 20:38:14 +0000 http://decision08.net/2008/02/19/while-were-waiting-for-the-polls-to-close-in-wisconsin/#comment-457582 I'm sure you're right and there are lots of errors in strategy and execution -- or it could just be the zeitgeist, maybe Obama is a better fit for right now and there wasn't much Hillary could do -- I’m sure you’re right and there are lots of errors in strategy and execution — or it could just be the zeitgeist, maybe Obama is a better fit for right now and there wasn’t much Hillary could do –

]]> By: too many steves http://informedspeculation.com/2008/02/19/while-were-waiting-for-the-polls-to-close-in-wisconsin/comment-page-1/#comment-457576 too many steves Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:43:14 +0000 http://decision08.net/2008/02/19/while-were-waiting-for-the-polls-to-close-in-wisconsin/#comment-457576 You are probably right as to the tipping point, but I think that lets them off the hook to easily. Clearly they had the wrong strategy in approaching the primary and caucus contests (which to focus on, which to ignore), but I also think they judged this to be a policy issue campaign. Obama has bet on a vision-thing campaign with a strong positive, we-can-do-it appeal. He's winning, she's not. You are probably right as to the tipping point, but I think that lets them off the hook to easily. Clearly they had the wrong strategy in approaching the primary and caucus contests (which to focus on, which to ignore), but I also think they judged this to be a policy issue campaign. Obama has bet on a vision-thing campaign with a strong positive, we-can-do-it appeal. He’s winning, she’s not.

]]> By: peter http://informedspeculation.com/2008/02/19/while-were-waiting-for-the-polls-to-close-in-wisconsin/comment-page-1/#comment-457573 peter Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:28:22 +0000 http://decision08.net/2008/02/19/while-were-waiting-for-the-polls-to-close-in-wisconsin/#comment-457573 A few months ago, Hillary and Rudy were seen as inevitable. Seems like inevitability in politics lasts about as long as an ice cube on a hot pavement. I think the tipping point for Hillary was when Bill started pointing his finger at reporters. Enough people said "oh, these guys again" for Obama to get the big mo. A few months ago, Hillary and Rudy were seen as inevitable. Seems like inevitability in politics lasts about as long as an ice cube on a hot pavement.

I think the tipping point for Hillary was when Bill started pointing his finger at reporters. Enough people said “oh, these guys again” for Obama to get the big mo.

]]> By: Clint http://informedspeculation.com/2008/02/19/while-were-waiting-for-the-polls-to-close-in-wisconsin/comment-page-1/#comment-457570 Clint Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:05:34 +0000 http://decision08.net/2008/02/19/while-were-waiting-for-the-polls-to-close-in-wisconsin/#comment-457570 Although it may be easy to say with hindsight, it now looks like Hillary's campaign was always stupid -- they never had a Plan B. They started out by ignoring small states and caucus states, intending to win all the big states and clinch the nomination before Super Tuesday -- and they're still making exactly the same mistake. Even if she edges out Obama in Texas and Ohio, he'll more than make up the paltry difference in delegates when he wins Vermont and Rhode Island in landslides. Why will he win Vermont and Rhode Island in landslides? Because he's the only candidate competing there. He's got seven full-time campaign staffers in Vermont and has been running television ads for the last week. Hillary's campaign has yet to open a Vermont office. (http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/richard_adams/2008/02/lost_in_wisconsin.html) And she's "more electable" why, exactly? The benefit of her extensive experience with national campaigns is what, exactly? Although it may be easy to say with hindsight, it now looks like Hillary’s campaign was always stupid — they never had a Plan B. They started out by ignoring small states and caucus states, intending to win all the big states and clinch the nomination before Super Tuesday — and they’re still making exactly the same mistake.

Even if she edges out Obama in Texas and Ohio, he’ll more than make up the paltry difference in delegates when he wins Vermont and Rhode Island in landslides.

Why will he win Vermont and Rhode Island in landslides? Because he’s the only candidate competing there.

He’s got seven full-time campaign staffers in Vermont and has been running television ads for the last week. Hillary’s campaign has yet to open a Vermont office.
(http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/richard_adams/2008/02/lost_in_wisconsin.html)

And she’s “more electable” why, exactly? The benefit of her extensive experience with national campaigns is what, exactly?

]]> By: too many steves http://informedspeculation.com/2008/02/19/while-were-waiting-for-the-polls-to-close-in-wisconsin/comment-page-1/#comment-457556 too many steves Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:21:47 +0000 http://decision08.net/2008/02/19/while-were-waiting-for-the-polls-to-close-in-wisconsin/#comment-457556 Boy oh boy, Hillary's campaign sure looks old, tired, and dead. I am truly shocked. Does Ohio even matter? Everything they've tried recently has backfired. Wow, the Clinton machine has gone from brilliant to stupid really, really quickly. Obama may be thin on details, but there sure is a lot to be said about the power of positive thinking (and speaking). Her only hope is to convince the powers-that-be in the Party that Obama is unelectable in the general. But he's drawing pretty big, versus her, outside the base, so I don't see how she makes that case. I'll say it again, WOW. Boy oh boy, Hillary’s campaign sure looks old, tired, and dead. I am truly shocked. Does Ohio even matter? Everything they’ve tried recently has backfired. Wow, the Clinton machine has gone from brilliant to stupid really, really quickly. Obama may be thin on details, but there sure is a lot to be said about the power of positive thinking (and speaking). Her only hope is to convince the powers-that-be in the Party that Obama is unelectable in the general. But he’s drawing pretty big, versus her, outside the base, so I don’t see how she makes that case.

I’ll say it again, WOW.

]]> By: Clint http://informedspeculation.com/2008/02/19/while-were-waiting-for-the-polls-to-close-in-wisconsin/comment-page-1/#comment-457550 Clint Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:01:49 +0000 http://decision08.net/2008/02/19/while-were-waiting-for-the-polls-to-close-in-wisconsin/#comment-457550 The big suspense now is how much damage Hillary is willing to do before admitting defeat. The AP is now reporting that the Hillary camp is now trying to "poach" pledged delegates -- you know, the ones that were chosen by the voters. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap_campaignplus/20080220/ap_ca/on_deadline_wisconsin) The big suspense now is how much damage Hillary is willing to do before admitting defeat.

The AP is now reporting that the Hillary camp is now trying to “poach” pledged delegates — you know, the ones that were chosen by the voters.

(http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap_campaignplus/20080220/ap_ca/on_deadline_wisconsin)

]]> By: mikebdot http://informedspeculation.com/2008/02/19/while-were-waiting-for-the-polls-to-close-in-wisconsin/comment-page-1/#comment-457475 mikebdot Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:24:42 +0000 http://decision08.net/2008/02/19/while-were-waiting-for-the-polls-to-close-in-wisconsin/#comment-457475 When does he become the "front-runner"? One would think when he's out in front. Or after, say, 9 wins in a row? When does he become the “front-runner”? One would think when he’s out in front. Or after, say, 9 wins in a row?

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