Comments on: Vitally Important Day, Electorally Speaking…

By: Ryan

Ryan — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:43:21 +0000

To be fair:

“Ralph Nader is looking pretty good right now.”

No non-troll would ever say that. Ever.

By: too many steves

too many steves — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 19:39:28 +0000

I agree Jacques. A very good friend voted in RI yesterday and pulled the lever for Hillary. He tells me that it was the demonstrable differential in political and leadership experience between Hillary and Obama. Knowing him as well as I do I can say with certainty that he was not duped or hoodwinked by some nefarious Clintonian campaign tactics. It’s pretty clear to me that many Democrats are doing similar math.

By: Jacques Distler

Jacques Distler — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 19:19:10 +0000

Call me a cynic, but I think “Robin” is a troll.

I am highly sceptical that there are many Democrats who have decided that, if Obama doesn’t get the nomination, they are going to vote for Nader instead. Perhaps such people do exist, but I think there’s a simpler explanation…

By: too many steves

too many steves — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:24:25 +0000

I find it interesting that Robin G. has such a dim view of her fellow Democrat’s reasoning power, that he/she (sorry, Robin is one of those gender neutral names) believes they are so easily duped by marginal campaign tactics.

By: Ryan

Ryan — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:56:58 +0000

You hate economists because they rely on actual facts and data rather than your impressions of Bloomington, Indiana? That seems… lazy. As is your implication that CEOs are somehow the world’s only beneficiaries from moving factories to Mexichindia. That firms make short term gains until there are no more to realize is, uh, Econ 101. It’s called market equilibrium.

By: mikebdot

mikebdot — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 16:42:07 +0000

“There are no serious economists or experts who believe that low wages in Mexico or China or India is the fundamental reason that American factories close down.”

If that statement is actually true, that is why I hate economists. That is not the ONLY reason we cuild plants in those countries (there are people there that buy goods too), but it is the chief reason a plant is closed in, say, Bloomington, IN and those lines are sent to Celaya (I worked in the GE factory there one summer, it’s now gone). Best part is, their quality is worse. And the CEOs keep making short term gains, until eventually it’s all gone and no more short term gains can be realized.

By: Ryan

Ryan — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 15:53:33 +0000

I’m completely unconvinced that Clinton’s tactics have been either beyond the pale or particularly damaging to the Democratic Party. Obama is all but mathematically guaranteed to win this thing, and her continued presence allows him some batting practice against dirty politics. If there’s anything we’ve learned from the 2000 and 2004 elections, it’s that loosely-affiliated Republican proxy groups are more than happy to lie and smear their candidate’s way to the White House. The right has long since run out of ideas other than “more war, all the time” and they’re more than happy to substitute invective (or vapid macho idiocy: “Let’s tell the Israelis and Palestinians to cut the bulls**t”) for policy. Obama is going to be called a Muslim and a traitor all the way through the general – having to deal with Clinton calling him weak on security at least gives him some space to define his counterarguments.

By: Robin G

Robin G — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 13:24:04 +0000

While I give kudos to Ms Clinton for her 3 victories last night, I would also like to ask her, “At what price did those victories come?” Those who voted for Ms. Clinton better understand fully that she has sold part of her soul and a good chunk of the democratic party for her wins. It has taken some pretty ugly and indefensible diatribe to get her “back in the game”. The latest attacks from Clinton, joining herself with John McCain against Senator Obama, should have all democrats shaking their heads in wonder and disgust at what future they can possibly look forward to with this candidate in the running.

It is disheartening to believe that people of this country would be, not only swept up into the media driven, anti Obama rhetoric of the last week, but also voting out of fearful instinct and lack of education on the REAL issues. While there is no excuse or redemption for Hillary playing the Muslim card last week, or her fear mongering 3 a.m. ads, or the media beating those ideas to death, there is also no excuse for those Americans who were still wondering on Sunday night, “Is he a Muslim?” We can certainly ascertain by last nights outcome, many chose to just sit back and believe the news commentators as they spun these stories whichever way the ratings dictated, rather than educate themselves with unbiased facts.

I don’t know what happens from here, I am sure most of it will be downright ugly, which is very unfortunate for the democratic party. What I do know, is that my belief in Senator Obama has not been shaken. I will continue to do what I can to help him win this nomination; as I believe in his vision, I admire his positive campaign and I am proud to be in his camp. But, I will be stopping by the county seat on the way out to pick up and independent voter registration card, just in case. Ralph Nader is looking pretty good right now.

Sincerely,

Robin Greed

By: too many steves

too many steves — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 13:19:58 +0000

He’s got plenty of time to put one together, and by not being burdened with further campaigning, can watch them very closely to look for weak points to attack, all while he bolsters his support within the party and raises more money.

By: Clint

Clint — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 13:15:53 +0000

And will only have to respond to Republican arguments for a paltry nine weeks. After another six months during which the Democrats will define all of the assumptions and terms of the policy arguments…

Yuck.

Hopefully John McCain has a good plan for dealing with this…