Comments on: That’s What I Said! http://informedspeculation.com/2008/03/22/thats-what-i-said/ Refunds Cheerfully Given To All Who Disagree Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:53:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Ryan http://informedspeculation.com/2008/03/22/thats-what-i-said/comment-page-1/#comment-474967 Ryan Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:33:23 +0000 http://decision08.net/2008/03/22/thats-what-i-said/#comment-474967 Chris: New PPP has Obama up 21 points in NC. We can either agree to throw out PPP and call it an 8 point margin or we can go with 21. Either way, I'd say your hypothesis is looking grim. Chris: New PPP has Obama up 21 points in NC. We can either agree to throw out PPP and call it an 8 point margin or we can go with 21. Either way, I’d say your hypothesis is looking grim.

]]> By: Ryan http://informedspeculation.com/2008/03/22/thats-what-i-said/comment-page-1/#comment-474856 Ryan Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:40:53 +0000 http://decision08.net/2008/03/22/thats-what-i-said/#comment-474856 Chris: Obama's lead is one point in one poll - and it's PPP, which is not the world's most reputable pollster (ranked 21st in SUSA's last report card). The last SurveyUSA poll had a margin of 8, which is what I take to be the margin until someone I trust releases a new poll. We could go around quoting Rasmussen and Zogby to each other until we're blue in the face, but since those two polling outfits are uniformly wrong about everything, we may as well pick out the ones who actually do this with some measure of success. Besides, that poll was taken at the high point of the entire Wright snafu, so it's not trustworthy for that reason either. To claim that one poll shows Obama winning in a state by one point makes it possible for Hillary to win the nomination is to engage in fantasy. TMS: Of course what the media want matters in some practical sense, in that they get to shape the entire campaign. Do you really think McCain's comeback and subsequent winning of the Republican nomination wasn't aided by the fact that the media quite simply adore the guy? Chris: Obama’s lead is one point in one poll – and it’s PPP, which is not the world’s most reputable pollster (ranked 21st in SUSA’s last report card). The last SurveyUSA poll had a margin of 8, which is what I take to be the margin until someone I trust releases a new poll. We could go around quoting Rasmussen and Zogby to each other until we’re blue in the face, but since those two polling outfits are uniformly wrong about everything, we may as well pick out the ones who actually do this with some measure of success. Besides, that poll was taken at the high point of the entire Wright snafu, so it’s not trustworthy for that reason either. To claim that one poll shows Obama winning in a state by one point makes it possible for Hillary to win the nomination is to engage in fantasy.

TMS: Of course what the media want matters in some practical sense, in that they get to shape the entire campaign. Do you really think McCain’s comeback and subsequent winning of the Republican nomination wasn’t aided by the fact that the media quite simply adore the guy?

]]> By: Chris J. Breisch http://informedspeculation.com/2008/03/22/thats-what-i-said/comment-page-1/#comment-474844 Chris J. Breisch Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:04:08 +0000 http://decision08.net/2008/03/22/thats-what-i-said/#comment-474844 Obama leads in NC by a single point, well within the margin of error. To say that there's no way he loses there is to engage in fantasy. Interesting post about Obama's current lead in the popular vote. Another point that I'm sure Clinton's camp will bring forth at the DNC. http://www.theneweditor.com/index.php?/archives/7783-The-Power-of-Cook-County,-Illinois.html Someone else that agrees with me re: Hillary. http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/3/24/154226/008 Obama leads in NC by a single point, well within the margin of error. To say that there’s no way he loses there is to engage in fantasy.

Interesting post about Obama’s current lead in the popular vote. Another point that I’m sure Clinton’s camp will bring forth at the DNC.

http://www.theneweditor.com/index.php?/archives/7783-The-Power-of-Cook-County,-Illinois.html

Someone else that agrees with me re: Hillary.

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/3/24/154226/008

]]> By: Fargus http://informedspeculation.com/2008/03/22/thats-what-i-said/comment-page-1/#comment-474699 Fargus Tue, 25 Mar 2008 01:41:03 +0000 http://decision08.net/2008/03/22/thats-what-i-said/#comment-474699 But if the tables were turned, you can't tell me that the media wouldn't be writing Obama off as dead in the water. I agree that Clinton catches a pretty raw deal in the media sometimes, but this is one way that that's decidedly <i>not</i> the case. But if the tables were turned, you can’t tell me that the media wouldn’t be writing Obama off as dead in the water.

I agree that Clinton catches a pretty raw deal in the media sometimes, but this is one way that that’s decidedly not the case.

]]> By: too many steves http://informedspeculation.com/2008/03/22/thats-what-i-said/comment-page-1/#comment-474686 too many steves Tue, 25 Mar 2008 00:10:34 +0000 http://decision08.net/2008/03/22/thats-what-i-said/#comment-474686 LOL, good point! I'm a conservative and I like Obama a whole, whole lot better than Hillary. I would go so far as to say liking Obama over Hillary is sort of a "duh" proposition; at least that is with the public Hillary of the Bill Clinton presidency and her 2008 nomination campaign. LOL, good point! I’m a conservative and I like Obama a whole, whole lot better than Hillary. I would go so far as to say liking Obama over Hillary is sort of a “duh” proposition; at least that is with the public Hillary of the Bill Clinton presidency and her 2008 nomination campaign.

]]> By: Mark http://informedspeculation.com/2008/03/22/thats-what-i-said/comment-page-1/#comment-474682 Mark Mon, 24 Mar 2008 23:56:41 +0000 http://decision08.net/2008/03/22/thats-what-i-said/#comment-474682 tms, always dangerous when you try to get in someone else's brain, but I think what Halperin was getting at was the media's favoritism towards Obama colors their coverage...so yeah, I think Hillary IS right when she says the media favors Obama, probably...though I can't say she didn't have it coming... tms, always dangerous when you try to get in someone else’s brain, but I think what Halperin was getting at was the media’s favoritism towards Obama colors their coverage…so yeah, I think Hillary IS right when she says the media favors Obama, probably…though I can’t say she didn’t have it coming…

]]> By: Bob from Ohio http://informedspeculation.com/2008/03/22/thats-what-i-said/comment-page-1/#comment-474654 Bob from Ohio Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:55:51 +0000 http://decision08.net/2008/03/22/thats-what-i-said/#comment-474654 <blockquote> Or if Hillary would accept second banana. </blockquote> McCain is 71 and has had cancer.

Or if Hillary would accept second banana.

McCain is 71 and has had cancer.

]]> By: too many steves http://informedspeculation.com/2008/03/22/thats-what-i-said/comment-page-1/#comment-474622 too many steves Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:06:55 +0000 http://decision08.net/2008/03/22/thats-what-i-said/#comment-474622 This, from the Halperin quote, really bugs me: "7. The Rev. Wright story notwithstanding, the media still wants Obama to be the nominee — and that has an impact every day." Since when does what "the media" want matter? Especially in the context of the Presidential candidate nominee of the Democratic Party? And this "want" has an impact every day? So, then, Hillary is correct when she complains of bias against her and in favor of Obama? This, from the Halperin quote, really bugs me:

“7. The Rev. Wright story notwithstanding, the media still wants Obama to be the nominee — and that has an impact every day.”

Since when does what “the media” want matter? Especially in the context of the Presidential candidate nominee of the Democratic Party? And this “want” has an impact every day? So, then, Hillary is correct when she complains of bias against her and in favor of Obama?

]]> By: Ryan http://informedspeculation.com/2008/03/22/thats-what-i-said/comment-page-1/#comment-474607 Ryan Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:42:32 +0000 http://decision08.net/2008/03/22/thats-what-i-said/#comment-474607 Bob: Interesting points. I still think there's no way McCain would ever pick Hillary, but your arguments as to why it wouldn't be the end of the line for him are fairly reasonable. It would be interesting if Lieberman Part II could get away with it. Or if Hillary would accept second banana. Chris: No way he loses in North Carolina. That happens only if the aformentioned crazy/criminal/homosexual thing happens. He will win NC comfortably. And Florida and Michigan have been dealt with. Those delegates will be seated by a magnanimous and victorious Obama. Bob: Interesting points. I still think there’s no way McCain would ever pick Hillary, but your arguments as to why it wouldn’t be the end of the line for him are fairly reasonable. It would be interesting if Lieberman Part II could get away with it. Or if Hillary would accept second banana.

Chris: No way he loses in North Carolina. That happens only if the aformentioned crazy/criminal/homosexual thing happens. He will win NC comfortably. And Florida and Michigan have been dealt with. Those delegates will be seated by a magnanimous and victorious Obama.

]]> By: Chris J. Breisch http://informedspeculation.com/2008/03/22/thats-what-i-said/comment-page-1/#comment-474585 Chris J. Breisch Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:09:03 +0000 http://decision08.net/2008/03/22/thats-what-i-said/#comment-474585 Wow, Real Clear Politics is reading my mind today. :) http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2008/03/quote_of_the_day_22.html Wow, Real Clear Politics is reading my mind today. :)

http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2008/03/quote_of_the_day_22.html

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