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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2008/07/31/the-tiresome-race-card-debate/comment-page-2/#comment-531265</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 03:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, please, enough already...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, please, enough already&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mikebdot</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2008/07/31/the-tiresome-race-card-debate/comment-page-2/#comment-531083</link>
		<dc:creator>mikebdot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 16:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of whose parents gave money to the McCain campaign!  Oh sweet irony.

They might as well have had a huge block text graphic over Barack saying &quot;PIMP&quot;.  I do think that was a hidden meaning.  I really do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of whose parents gave money to the McCain campaign!  Oh sweet irony.</p>
<p>They might as well have had a huge block text graphic over Barack saying &#8220;PIMP&#8221;.  I do think that was a hidden meaning.  I really do.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2008/07/31/the-tiresome-race-card-debate/comment-page-2/#comment-530697</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 00:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, I agree that the ad is offensive because it compares Obama to two party girls - I said so earlier.  It&#039;s just not racist...Stupid, yes, but not racist...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, I agree that the ad is offensive because it compares Obama to two party girls &#8211; I said so earlier.  It&#8217;s just not racist&#8230;Stupid, yes, but not racist&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mikebdot</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2008/07/31/the-tiresome-race-card-debate/comment-page-2/#comment-530483</link>
		<dc:creator>mikebdot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And, I think a more appropriate question to ask about the Paris/Brittney ad is, &quot;what is the first word that pops into your head when you see Paris/Brittney&quot;?  I bet you 1 in 10 thinks &quot;slut&quot;.  &quot;tramp&quot;.  Oh, but that&#039;s no fault of the ad&#039;s designer.  Riiiiight.  Nothing to see here, folks.  Nothing to see here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, I think a more appropriate question to ask about the Paris/Brittney ad is, &#8220;what is the first word that pops into your head when you see Paris/Brittney&#8221;?  I bet you 1 in 10 thinks &#8220;slut&#8221;.  &#8220;tramp&#8221;.  Oh, but that&#8217;s no fault of the ad&#8217;s designer.  Riiiiight.  Nothing to see here, folks.  Nothing to see here.</p>
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		<title>By: mikebdot</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2008/07/31/the-tiresome-race-card-debate/comment-page-2/#comment-530473</link>
		<dc:creator>mikebdot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man, I missed out on the chance to defend my take.  Oh well.  Better late than never:

1.  The same guy that made the Harold Ford &quot;call me&quot; ad made the Paris/Brittney ad.  I personally feel the &quot;call me&quot; ad was definitely racist.  If you don&#039;t, that&#039;s cool.  People disagree about stuff, or are just plain oblivious to the coded message to CERTAIN people.

2.  Saying the Obama campaign &quot;played the race card from the bottom of the deck&quot; is racist.  Period.  It was deliberate.  Make no mistake.  

3.  &quot;Oh yeah, and he&#039;s black&quot;.  Yeah, show me what he was even talking about.  Was he talking about emails that say this?  Did he actually mention the McCain folks anywhere near there?  From what I can tell, that &quot;and he&#039;s black&quot; speech was from back in June.  What exactly was the context?  If he was talking about emails that scared the public, I think that&#039;s perfectly fair.  Why is a speech he gave back in June suddenly an issue a month afterwards?  Hmmm, coincides with going negative on Obama.  It&#039;s a perfect time to play the &quot;&#039;race-card&#039; card&quot;.  Let&#039;s be clear, Mark, the ONLY quote we&#039;re talking about regarding Obama playing the race card is the &quot;their going to scare you&quot; comment.  He was ridiculing the stupid ad by McCain.  And, no, I&#039;m sorry, ridiculing the &quot;Barack for change&quot; icon is beyond a stupid ad.  Barack said it right, the McCain camp doesn&#039;t speak to the issues.  

4.  Just because an ad campaign works, doesn&#039;t make it a good ad campaign.  It works because the media talks about it without saying &quot;oh, this is stupid, they&#039;re not even talking about the issues&quot;.  You know why?  Because the media is a vapid disgusting discourse.  It&#039;s a gossip party and it makes me sick.  When ad campaigns that are void of any cognitive thought and play to fears and emotion are publicly ridiculed, that will be a tremendous day for America.  Or whatever other country we end up becoming if we continue going down this path.  

5.  Mark, I&#039;m pretty sure Europe has showed us enough gratitude.  Or is gratitude deserved in perpetuity?  Especially after the right has ridiculed Europe for the past 40 years, specifically the &quot;pinko-commie&quot;ness of them all.  I wouldn&#039;t give us any gratitude for ridiculing their way of life, which seems to work ok for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, I missed out on the chance to defend my take.  Oh well.  Better late than never:</p>
<p>1.  The same guy that made the Harold Ford &#8220;call me&#8221; ad made the Paris/Brittney ad.  I personally feel the &#8220;call me&#8221; ad was definitely racist.  If you don&#8217;t, that&#8217;s cool.  People disagree about stuff, or are just plain oblivious to the coded message to CERTAIN people.</p>
<p>2.  Saying the Obama campaign &#8220;played the race card from the bottom of the deck&#8221; is racist.  Period.  It was deliberate.  Make no mistake.  </p>
<p>3.  &#8220;Oh yeah, and he&#8217;s black&#8221;.  Yeah, show me what he was even talking about.  Was he talking about emails that say this?  Did he actually mention the McCain folks anywhere near there?  From what I can tell, that &#8220;and he&#8217;s black&#8221; speech was from back in June.  What exactly was the context?  If he was talking about emails that scared the public, I think that&#8217;s perfectly fair.  Why is a speech he gave back in June suddenly an issue a month afterwards?  Hmmm, coincides with going negative on Obama.  It&#8217;s a perfect time to play the &#8220;&#8216;race-card&#8217; card&#8221;.  Let&#8217;s be clear, Mark, the ONLY quote we&#8217;re talking about regarding Obama playing the race card is the &#8220;their going to scare you&#8221; comment.  He was ridiculing the stupid ad by McCain.  And, no, I&#8217;m sorry, ridiculing the &#8220;Barack for change&#8221; icon is beyond a stupid ad.  Barack said it right, the McCain camp doesn&#8217;t speak to the issues.  </p>
<p>4.  Just because an ad campaign works, doesn&#8217;t make it a good ad campaign.  It works because the media talks about it without saying &#8220;oh, this is stupid, they&#8217;re not even talking about the issues&#8221;.  You know why?  Because the media is a vapid disgusting discourse.  It&#8217;s a gossip party and it makes me sick.  When ad campaigns that are void of any cognitive thought and play to fears and emotion are publicly ridiculed, that will be a tremendous day for America.  Or whatever other country we end up becoming if we continue going down this path.  </p>
<p>5.  Mark, I&#8217;m pretty sure Europe has showed us enough gratitude.  Or is gratitude deserved in perpetuity?  Especially after the right has ridiculed Europe for the past 40 years, specifically the &#8220;pinko-commie&#8221;ness of them all.  I wouldn&#8217;t give us any gratitude for ridiculing their way of life, which seems to work ok for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Decision &#8216;08 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Race Card: The Public Speaks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Decision &#8216;08 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Race Card: The Public Speaks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 19:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I&#8217;m sick of this topic, but we have gone into it in considerable detail in the comments two posts below, so it&#8217;s relevant.  Rasmussen did a poll, and while the vast majority of the public thinks [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I&#8217;m sick of this topic, but we have gone into it in considerable detail in the comments two posts below, so it&#8217;s relevant.  Rasmussen did a poll, and while the vast majority of the public thinks [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2008/07/31/the-tiresome-race-card-debate/comment-page-2/#comment-530081</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 17:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoops - that country, in #52 above, refers to Italy...where their recent elections have turned in large part on their presence in Afghanistan...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops &#8211; that country, in #52 above, refers to Italy&#8230;where their recent elections have turned in large part on their presence in Afghanistan&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2008/07/31/the-tiresome-race-card-debate/comment-page-2/#comment-530069</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 17:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Ryan, I singled out France as one of the few countries that DOES remember...at least, part of France does...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Ryan, I singled out France as one of the few countries that DOES remember&#8230;at least, part of France does&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2008/07/31/the-tiresome-race-card-debate/comment-page-2/#comment-530067</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 17:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>However, we did what we did in World War II not out of a love for Europeans and their culture, but out of a sense that Hitler was a real and present danger to our national interests...and we were right to do what we did.  I don&#039;t ask Europeans to spend their whole life in abject genuflection before American might...but it would be nice if they would remember how much we sacrificed on their behalf (and continue to...our NATO allies are not devoting nearly enough resources to Afghanistan, and the populace in that country doesn&#039;t even support the war THERE, much less in Iraq)...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>However, we did what we did in World War II not out of a love for Europeans and their culture, but out of a sense that Hitler was a real and present danger to our national interests&#8230;and we were right to do what we did.  I don&#8217;t ask Europeans to spend their whole life in abject genuflection before American might&#8230;but it would be nice if they would remember how much we sacrificed on their behalf (and continue to&#8230;our NATO allies are not devoting nearly enough resources to Afghanistan, and the populace in that country doesn&#8217;t even support the war THERE, much less in Iraq)&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2008/07/31/the-tiresome-race-card-debate/comment-page-2/#comment-530062</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 16:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan, my tongue is somewhat in cheek...sorry if that didn&#039;t come through...but let me tell you, Europe DOES owe us, and big time...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan, my tongue is somewhat in cheek&#8230;sorry if that didn&#8217;t come through&#8230;but let me tell you, Europe DOES owe us, and big time&#8230;</p>
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