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		<title>By: peter</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2008/08/25/i-thought-about-just-completely-boycotting-the-convention/comment-page-1/#comment-542921</link>
		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Basically what he did was vehicular manslaughter and leaving the scene of an accident, and got a two month suspended sentence for the latter.  I&#039;m not sure if a first offender (who is not a Kennedy) who did the same thing would have received a different punishment.  Maybe so, but hard to say.

He did pay a price insofar as it was an albatross which prevented him from ever becoming President.  No guarantee he would have been President, of course, but this was a deal killer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Basically what he did was vehicular manslaughter and leaving the scene of an accident, and got a two month suspended sentence for the latter.  I&#8217;m not sure if a first offender (who is not a Kennedy) who did the same thing would have received a different punishment.  Maybe so, but hard to say.</p>
<p>He did pay a price insofar as it was an albatross which prevented him from ever becoming President.  No guarantee he would have been President, of course, but this was a deal killer.</p>
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		<title>By: too many steves</title>
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		<dc:creator>too many steves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My bad, quoted from Powerline.

Peter: yes the facts are murky and the situation is unrelated to his performance as a Senator and my personal assessment of that performance.  I&#039;m most offended that he never paid a price for what he did (not counting any anguish and regret he may have or does feel).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My bad, quoted from Powerline.</p>
<p>Peter: yes the facts are murky and the situation is unrelated to his performance as a Senator and my personal assessment of that performance.  I&#8217;m most offended that he never paid a price for what he did (not counting any anguish and regret he may have or does feel).</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2008/08/25/i-thought-about-just-completely-boycotting-the-convention/comment-page-1/#comment-542568</link>
		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 02:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve:  you may be correct -- the Kennedy story (which only he knows to be true or not) is that he tried to save her, failed to do so, and then got the others to help -- however the facts are murky and I wouldn&#039;t entirely trust the testimony of a panicked and (probably) drunk man.  I&#039;m also disinclined to be painted into a corner trying to defend his actions that night:  they&#039;re indefensible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve:  you may be correct &#8212; the Kennedy story (which only he knows to be true or not) is that he tried to save her, failed to do so, and then got the others to help &#8212; however the facts are murky and I wouldn&#8217;t entirely trust the testimony of a panicked and (probably) drunk man.  I&#8217;m also disinclined to be painted into a corner trying to defend his actions that night:  they&#8217;re indefensible.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2008/08/25/i-thought-about-just-completely-boycotting-the-convention/comment-page-1/#comment-542532</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 01:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back on topic for the moment - Richard Cohen (who I have had occasion to ridicule before) &lt;a href=&quot;http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2008/08/michelle_obamas_sad_transforma.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;agreed with me that Michelle Obama sounded insincere&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;The transformation of Michelle Obama from a bracingly proud contemporary woman -- mother, wife, career woman -- into a prime time Betty Crocker was sad to see. This is not to say that she was not up to the task assigned her Monday night. She spoke well and looked swell. But her speech was like one of those buildings where the interior structure can be seen. You could watch her hit all her marks, answering, point by point, the uninformed criticism: angry, although mighty privileged, black woman. Never mind that that was a canard. Just as much a canard was the woman who spoke almost entirely of motherhood and wifehood and the incredible greatness of America -- a land once of searing racism, which, if mentioned, is seen as proof of irrational rage and for which whites now have three words: get over it.

The transparent purpose of the speech, its kitchy effort to reassure, gave Michelle Obama a glaze of insincerity. In the post-speech commentary, many of the TV types, schooled now in empathy and not objectivity, gave her high marks for what she did. But what she had really done, she had done earlier in her life. Last night, she gave the standard “Log Cabin” speech expected of nearly all American public figures -- born poor, raised in faith, etc. -- with nary a mention of race. It was a speech designed to reassure, but it did not do that at all. Politics can sometimes be ugly. In this case, we witnessed how a dynamic woman with a razor-sharp intellect had -- for the moment -- been lobotomized. If it happens also to her husband, John McCain will have one more house come January.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back on topic for the moment &#8211; Richard Cohen (who I have had occasion to ridicule before) <a href="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2008/08/michelle_obamas_sad_transforma.html" rel="nofollow">agreed with me that Michelle Obama sounded insincere</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>The transformation of Michelle Obama from a bracingly proud contemporary woman &#8212; mother, wife, career woman &#8212; into a prime time Betty Crocker was sad to see. This is not to say that she was not up to the task assigned her Monday night. She spoke well and looked swell. But her speech was like one of those buildings where the interior structure can be seen. You could watch her hit all her marks, answering, point by point, the uninformed criticism: angry, although mighty privileged, black woman. Never mind that that was a canard. Just as much a canard was the woman who spoke almost entirely of motherhood and wifehood and the incredible greatness of America &#8212; a land once of searing racism, which, if mentioned, is seen as proof of irrational rage and for which whites now have three words: get over it.</p>
<p>The transparent purpose of the speech, its kitchy effort to reassure, gave Michelle Obama a glaze of insincerity. In the post-speech commentary, many of the TV types, schooled now in empathy and not objectivity, gave her high marks for what she did. But what she had really done, she had done earlier in her life. Last night, she gave the standard “Log Cabin” speech expected of nearly all American public figures &#8212; born poor, raised in faith, etc. &#8212; with nary a mention of race. It was a speech designed to reassure, but it did not do that at all. Politics can sometimes be ugly. In this case, we witnessed how a dynamic woman with a razor-sharp intellect had &#8212; for the moment &#8212; been lobotomized. If it happens also to her husband, John McCain will have one more house come January.</em></p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 01:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>too many steves, you&#039;re apparently quoting from a book or article, but you left out the source...not disputing the source, but it would be nice to know what it is...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>too many steves, you&#8217;re apparently quoting from a book or article, but you left out the source&#8230;not disputing the source, but it would be nice to know what it is&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: too many steves</title>
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		<dc:creator>too many steves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 01:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re kidding yourself.

Ted Kennedy &quot;left Mary Jo Kopechne to die under circumstances where, if he had not given priority to preserving his political career, she might well have been saved. He passed by one house after another where he might have called the emergency rescue squad, and instead sought out his cousin Joe Gargan, whom he implored to take the fall for him. When Gargan refused, he divided the remainder of the night between phone calls to the family lawyer and attempts to establish an alibi by repeatedly wandering down to the lobby of the hotel where he was staying and engaging the hotel clerk in a conversation about the time of night. Never, apparently, did he give a thought to the young woman whom he left dying in his submerged car.&quot;

He has done a lot since that is laudable in intent (the aforementioned commitment to doing what he believes best for Massachusetts and the United States), but you can&#039;t convince me that he did anything but protect himself while Mary Jo drowned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re kidding yourself.</p>
<p>Ted Kennedy &#8220;left Mary Jo Kopechne to die under circumstances where, if he had not given priority to preserving his political career, she might well have been saved. He passed by one house after another where he might have called the emergency rescue squad, and instead sought out his cousin Joe Gargan, whom he implored to take the fall for him. When Gargan refused, he divided the remainder of the night between phone calls to the family lawyer and attempts to establish an alibi by repeatedly wandering down to the lobby of the hotel where he was staying and engaging the hotel clerk in a conversation about the time of night. Never, apparently, did he give a thought to the young woman whom he left dying in his submerged car.&#8221;</p>
<p>He has done a lot since that is laudable in intent (the aforementioned commitment to doing what he believes best for Massachusetts and the United States), but you can&#8217;t convince me that he did anything but protect himself while Mary Jo drowned.</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 00:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nor was Mary Jo.  Kennedy made several attempts to rescue her from the car, first by himself and then with several others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nor was Mary Jo.  Kennedy made several attempts to rescue her from the car, first by himself and then with several others.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob from Ohio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob from Ohio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 00:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whittington was not left in a ditch to die.  That is the moral difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whittington was not left in a ditch to die.  That is the moral difference.</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From a moral perspective, there is little difference between Chappaquiddick and Dick Cheney&#039;s firing a shotgun at Harry Whittington.  Both incidents were accidental; both involved alcohol; both men waited 24 hours or so before reporting the events to the authorities (and presumably for the same reason:  to sober up).

Of course, Mary Jo died and Harry did not.  However, both events could have gone the other way.  Neither man intended to cause harm.  Both were negligent in their acts.

This is not to excuse Teddy or to cast blame at Cheney:  only to place the events in context.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From a moral perspective, there is little difference between Chappaquiddick and Dick Cheney&#8217;s firing a shotgun at Harry Whittington.  Both incidents were accidental; both involved alcohol; both men waited 24 hours or so before reporting the events to the authorities (and presumably for the same reason:  to sober up).</p>
<p>Of course, Mary Jo died and Harry did not.  However, both events could have gone the other way.  Neither man intended to cause harm.  Both were negligent in their acts.</p>
<p>This is not to excuse Teddy or to cast blame at Cheney:  only to place the events in context.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I don&#039;t know, Bob, that&#039;s a bit harsh...yes, Chappaquiddick was a major, major deal, and nothing will bring back the young lady whose death he caused.  But a lot of water has passed under the bridge (pun assuredly not intended), and I guess as I get older and reflect on my own failings, I am a bit less judgmental than I used to be.

To be clear: there is no excuse for Chappaquiddick...but a man&#039;s life is made up of more than one moment, no matter how horrific that moment may be.  

But I understand your sentiment, and I also understand fully that Kennedy robbed a young lady of every moment, good and bad, she would ever know...just trying to explain why I don&#039;t share the sentiment, at least not entirely, despite the enormity of the mistake...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I don&#8217;t know, Bob, that&#8217;s a bit harsh&#8230;yes, Chappaquiddick was a major, major deal, and nothing will bring back the young lady whose death he caused.  But a lot of water has passed under the bridge (pun assuredly not intended), and I guess as I get older and reflect on my own failings, I am a bit less judgmental than I used to be.</p>
<p>To be clear: there is no excuse for Chappaquiddick&#8230;but a man&#8217;s life is made up of more than one moment, no matter how horrific that moment may be.  </p>
<p>But I understand your sentiment, and I also understand fully that Kennedy robbed a young lady of every moment, good and bad, she would ever know&#8230;just trying to explain why I don&#8217;t share the sentiment, at least not entirely, despite the enormity of the mistake&#8230;</p>
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