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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2008/09/28/im-gonna-pull-an-obama-here/comment-page-1/#comment-562630</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 01:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, here&#039;s the difference - I also am down about 20% year to date on my 457 deferred compensation plan at work - meaning I&#039;m down about $500.

The poor and working class may have money in the markets, but they don&#039;t lose thousands in a day&#039;s trading because they don&#039;t have that big of a balance to begin with...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, here&#8217;s the difference &#8211; I also am down about 20% year to date on my 457 deferred compensation plan at work &#8211; meaning I&#8217;m down about $500.</p>
<p>The poor and working class may have money in the markets, but they don&#8217;t lose thousands in a day&#8217;s trading because they don&#8217;t have that big of a balance to begin with&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2008/09/28/im-gonna-pull-an-obama-here/comment-page-1/#comment-562332</link>
		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 10:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it&#039;s just the rich who got angry -- also anyone with a broker, a 401(k) account, or who is a senior who depends on his stocks --</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s just the rich who got angry &#8212; also anyone with a broker, a 401(k) account, or who is a senior who depends on his stocks &#8211;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2008/09/28/im-gonna-pull-an-obama-here/comment-page-1/#comment-562171</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 04:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I simplify, of course, and I hate class warfare...but there&#039;s some truth to it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I simplify, of course, and I hate class warfare&#8230;but there&#8217;s some truth to it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2008/09/28/im-gonna-pull-an-obama-here/comment-page-1/#comment-562170</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 04:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s no dichotomy...middle class people who work paycheck to paycheck opposed the bill, rich people who lost their shirts on Monday got angry:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/01/business/01bailout.html?_r=1&amp;hp&amp;oref=slogin
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On the morning after the sell-off on Wall Street, Congressional offices reported a shift in angry calls from constituents, with some now demanding that lawmakers take some corrective action — a distinct change from the outpouring of public opposition that contributed to the defeat of the plan.

“I started hearing from a lot of people who lost money on their investments thanks to the big drop on Wall Street yesterday,” said Representative Steven C. LaTourette, Republican of Ohio, who voted against the plan.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But there are more middle class than rich, as we all know...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s no dichotomy&#8230;middle class people who work paycheck to paycheck opposed the bill, rich people who lost their shirts on Monday got angry:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/01/business/01bailout.html?_r=1&#038;hp&#038;oref=slogin" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/01/business/01bailout.html?_r=1&#038;hp&#038;oref=slogin</a></p>
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On the morning after the sell-off on Wall Street, Congressional offices reported a shift in angry calls from constituents, with some now demanding that lawmakers take some corrective action — a distinct change from the outpouring of public opposition that contributed to the defeat of the plan.</p>
<p>“I started hearing from a lot of people who lost money on their investments thanks to the big drop on Wall Street yesterday,” said Representative Steven C. LaTourette, Republican of Ohio, who voted against the plan.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>But there are more middle class than rich, as we all know&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2008/09/28/im-gonna-pull-an-obama-here/comment-page-1/#comment-562025</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 23:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re &quot;constituents hate the bill:&quot;  Not so fast.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&amp;sid=a3XLLng0bFbY&amp;refer=home</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re &#8220;constituents hate the bill:&#8221;  Not so fast.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&amp;sid=a3XLLng0bFbY&amp;refer=home" rel="nofollow">http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&amp;sid=a3XLLng0bFbY&amp;refer=home</a></p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2008/09/28/im-gonna-pull-an-obama-here/comment-page-1/#comment-561751</link>
		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You could also make the case that economic disaster is already reflected in yesterday&#039;s stock prices.  Panic selling is usually a great time to buy.  My investing philosophy is simple:  when everyone gets on one side of the boat, get on the other side.  Stocks were just too cheap to pass up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could also make the case that economic disaster is already reflected in yesterday&#8217;s stock prices.  Panic selling is usually a great time to buy.  My investing philosophy is simple:  when everyone gets on one side of the boat, get on the other side.  Stocks were just too cheap to pass up.</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2008/09/28/im-gonna-pull-an-obama-here/comment-page-1/#comment-561745</link>
		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1)  The motivating factors for Republicans who voted against the bill were a genuine philosophical problem with the bail-out and/or public opposition to it (or, more precisely, the fear of losing one&#039;s seat because of public opposition).

2)  I agree that the public doesn&#039;t understand it because it was not well explained.  As I said in a different thread, if Clinton or Reagan were President, they would have found a simple way to explain a complicated situation. 

3)  Reread what I wrote:  I said that we will reap what the Republicans have sowed only if the credit freeze continues (e.g., post nine:  a &quot;potentially catastrophic situation&quot;).  I don&#039;t think it does:  I think that a second bill will pass.  That doesn&#039;t excuse those who voted against the bill, Democrat or Republican.  If I am wrong and Congress leaves town without doing anything, then I will lose money.  Right or wrong, that&#039;s how I&#039;m betting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1)  The motivating factors for Republicans who voted against the bill were a genuine philosophical problem with the bail-out and/or public opposition to it (or, more precisely, the fear of losing one&#8217;s seat because of public opposition).</p>
<p>2)  I agree that the public doesn&#8217;t understand it because it was not well explained.  As I said in a different thread, if Clinton or Reagan were President, they would have found a simple way to explain a complicated situation. </p>
<p>3)  Reread what I wrote:  I said that we will reap what the Republicans have sowed only if the credit freeze continues (e.g., post nine:  a &#8220;potentially catastrophic situation&#8221;).  I don&#8217;t think it does:  I think that a second bill will pass.  That doesn&#8217;t excuse those who voted against the bill, Democrat or Republican.  If I am wrong and Congress leaves town without doing anything, then I will lose money.  Right or wrong, that&#8217;s how I&#8217;m betting.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2008/09/28/im-gonna-pull-an-obama-here/comment-page-1/#comment-561568</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 04:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Peter: ah, how shall I put this?  You&#039;ve spent half this thread talking about how we&#039;ll have to reap what the Republicans have sowed and suffer the consequences, then you let the cat of the bag that you don&#039;t even believe that, but are strictly once again being a partisan, because you think a bill will pass and you bought more stock today than you ever have...not a very confidence-inspiring juxtaposition...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Peter: ah, how shall I put this?  You&#8217;ve spent half this thread talking about how we&#8217;ll have to reap what the Republicans have sowed and suffer the consequences, then you let the cat of the bag that you don&#8217;t even believe that, but are strictly once again being a partisan, because you think a bill will pass and you bought more stock today than you ever have&#8230;not a very confidence-inspiring juxtaposition&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2008/09/28/im-gonna-pull-an-obama-here/comment-page-1/#comment-561562</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 04:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alright, well we got some links out of you!  That&#039;s better...listen, I don&#039;t dispute the problems got WORSE during the Bush years...my point is that the absolution of Democrats from all blame is a silly game that only the most naive partisans would ever buy.

I said it before, and I&#039;ll say it again:  success has a thousand fathers and failure is an orphan...

You misunderstood my point, though - I&#039;m not asking why YOU think the Republicans got the bill wrong, but what were the motivating factors behind them getting it wrong (again, in your view).  Clearly, the public opposition is the dominant one.

And if the public doesn&#039;t understand the crisis, that&#039;s their fault?  Part of leadership is explaining...and that&#039;s why, in retrospect, Bush&#039;s primetime address has to be seen as an abysmal failure, and Obama and McCain both get pretty close to a goose egg for their extremely facile and unimpressive performances on this issue during Friday&#039;s debate...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alright, well we got some links out of you!  That&#8217;s better&#8230;listen, I don&#8217;t dispute the problems got WORSE during the Bush years&#8230;my point is that the absolution of Democrats from all blame is a silly game that only the most naive partisans would ever buy.</p>
<p>I said it before, and I&#8217;ll say it again:  success has a thousand fathers and failure is an orphan&#8230;</p>
<p>You misunderstood my point, though &#8211; I&#8217;m not asking why YOU think the Republicans got the bill wrong, but what were the motivating factors behind them getting it wrong (again, in your view).  Clearly, the public opposition is the dominant one.</p>
<p>And if the public doesn&#8217;t understand the crisis, that&#8217;s their fault?  Part of leadership is explaining&#8230;and that&#8217;s why, in retrospect, Bush&#8217;s primetime address has to be seen as an abysmal failure, and Obama and McCain both get pretty close to a goose egg for their extremely facile and unimpressive performances on this issue during Friday&#8217;s debate&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2008/09/28/im-gonna-pull-an-obama-here/comment-page-1/#comment-561557</link>
		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 04:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also from further down in the AEI report:

&quot;Beginning in 2004, (the GSE&#039;s) portfolios of subprime and Alt-A loans and securities began to grow. Subprime and Alt-A originations in the U.S. rose from less than 8% of all mortgages in 2003 to over 20% in 2006. During this period the quality of subprime loans also declined, going from fixed rate, long-term amortizing loans to loans with low down payments and low (but adjustable) initial rates, indicating that originators were scraping the bottom of the barrel to find product for buyers like the GSEs.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also from further down in the AEI report:</p>
<p>&#8220;Beginning in 2004, (the GSE&#8217;s) portfolios of subprime and Alt-A loans and securities began to grow. Subprime and Alt-A originations in the U.S. rose from less than 8% of all mortgages in 2003 to over 20% in 2006. During this period the quality of subprime loans also declined, going from fixed rate, long-term amortizing loans to loans with low down payments and low (but adjustable) initial rates, indicating that originators were scraping the bottom of the barrel to find product for buyers like the GSEs.&#8221;</p>
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