Comments on: How Soon Until Buyer’s Remorse Kicks In?

By: Mark

Mark — Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:47:50 +0000

Okay, Mike, you get an assist from Bob – I see now the point…

By: Steve

Steve — Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:20:06 +0000

If Lieberman isn’t loyal to the party to which he claims membership, and that party has the power to determine the members of its leadership team, then I’m missing why kicking his sorry butt out, a. represents bad form and, b. is a surprise (to anyone, including Lieberman). The guy has demonstrated that he cannot be trusted to carry the team’s flag. Ryan is right, this is very much like the Manny thing; Lieberman can no longer be trusted, he’s got to go. If he expected to be treated well by the Democrats when he chose to campaign for the Republican candidate, McCain, then he was just deluding himself.

God, I really feel like I’m missing some relevant piece of data on this one. What is wrong with punishing a political opponent in a political fashion?

By: Bob from Ohio

Bob from Ohio — Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:27:03 +0000

Mark, what mike is incoherently saying is that since Lieberman broke the rule of party loyalty, he should be shunned/punished, just like you would ban people who break the rules here.

By: mikebdot

mikebdot — Wed, 12 Nov 2008 14:22:19 +0000

Yes, Mark, but if I kept cursing surely you’d ban me. That’s all I’m saying. I know what I’m getting into. If I want to stick around, there are rules…this isn’t ‘Nam…

By: Ryan

Ryan — Wed, 12 Nov 2008 14:13:19 +0000

Mark, it’s not about the “great” Obama or any such thing. As Mike said, before he went crazy about this cursing business, there must surely be consequences for endorsing – and actively campaigning for – the nominee of the other party. If Lieberman wants to be treated not just as a Democrat, but as a member of the leadership (insofar as a committee chairman is such), then he should act like he’s a member of the team. Instead, he’s become the Manny Ramirez of the Democratic Party.

By: steve

steve — Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:16:47 +0000

What happens if Lieberman caucuses with the Republicans? He suddenly supports the war? Oh, wait, he already supports the war. Ok, so, he votes with the Republicans on all the platform issues? I’ll believe that when I see it actually happen.

I guess I just don’t see what the Democrats lose by bumping him.

By: Mark

Mark — Wed, 12 Nov 2008 03:17:17 +0000

Peter, I think we know that the Democratic voters in Connecticut are not too fond of him – they voted for his no-name opponent (yes, I remember, Ned Lamont) in the primaries. But apparently there are enough Independents and Republicans to keep him in office…at least, last time. Will he win again? I honestly don’t know…

By: Mark

Mark — Wed, 12 Nov 2008 03:15:10 +0000

Mike, I haven’t banned you, or kept you from commenting – I’ve just asked you to respect what I consider decorum. Don’t be a martyr for such a small cause…Duncan Black can take care of himself, what do I care? This is my place, not his…

By: peter

peter — Wed, 12 Nov 2008 02:53:09 +0000

It wouild be interesting to know what the people of Connecticut think about this. Considering that they voted heavily Democratic and also booted Chris Shays out, one would assume that they a) are aghast at Lieberman’s attempt to outshine Zell Miller and b) would prefer him to vote like a Democrat, regardless of his affiliation.

I’m not saying that politicians shouldn’t act in accordance with what they really believe — as I think Joe Lieberman does — but I am saying that the wishes of the constituency should be at least equally important.

By: mikebdot

mikebdot — Wed, 12 Nov 2008 01:28:14 +0000

Just talking about the cursing thing. Small point, nothing more. Not claiming you’re a hypocrite, just sayin’. Surely he had to KNOW there would potentially be “punishment”, for, you know, ENDORSING A REPUBLICAN FOR PRESIDENT, and not just “endorsing”, but actively campaigning for. That’s a little much. Much like cursing on your site. I know darn well if I had just said “damn well” you might flinch, but if I drop the f-bomb, that’s just plain not acceptable…to you. Just saying, consider the audience. You think Atrios would give a f*** if I didn’t use asterisks? Or any liberal blog, for the most part?