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	<title>Comments on: Ahhh&#8230;The Warm Afterglow&#8230;Stop It Now, Please, It&#8217;s Making Me Sick!&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: Brenna</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2008/11/11/ahhhthe-warm-afterglowstop-it-now-please-its-making-me-sick/comment-page-1/#comment-589554</link>
		<dc:creator>Brenna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Listen after all of this, I think its important to just note that the American people as a whole has made a great gesture towards something. At least the majority of us voted in favor of at least trying to overcome some attitudes and &quot;normalities&quot; that have been so engrained in our culture. After the election, I got text messages from friends who were suffice it to say upset about the outcome of the election but that doesn&#039;t mean that racist words and jokes are funny again. Here&#039;s a classic: &quot;Attn: ALL WHITE PEOPLE. PLEASE REPORT TO THE COTTON FIELDS AT 6AM FOR ORIENTATION -Obama 08&quot; Proof that this kind of discrimination still exists. (a little off topic) I saw Cadillac Records at a press screening recently and it is almost impossible to ignore the parallels in social atmospheres of today and the 50&#039;s. The movie is about the creation of Chess Records in Chicago with artists like Muddy Waters, Chuck Berry, and Etta James that helped bring African American culture into the public sphere. (come out Dec 5). The issue is not that we&#039;ve voted for a black man, but that we&#039;ve voted in the majority and with such excitement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Listen after all of this, I think its important to just note that the American people as a whole has made a great gesture towards something. At least the majority of us voted in favor of at least trying to overcome some attitudes and &#8220;normalities&#8221; that have been so engrained in our culture. After the election, I got text messages from friends who were suffice it to say upset about the outcome of the election but that doesn&#8217;t mean that racist words and jokes are funny again. Here&#8217;s a classic: &#8220;Attn: ALL WHITE PEOPLE. PLEASE REPORT TO THE COTTON FIELDS AT 6AM FOR ORIENTATION -Obama 08&#8243; Proof that this kind of discrimination still exists. (a little off topic) I saw Cadillac Records at a press screening recently and it is almost impossible to ignore the parallels in social atmospheres of today and the 50&#8217;s. The movie is about the creation of Chess Records in Chicago with artists like Muddy Waters, Chuck Berry, and Etta James that helped bring African American culture into the public sphere. (come out Dec 5). The issue is not that we&#8217;ve voted for a black man, but that we&#8217;ve voted in the majority and with such excitement.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ditto the last two sentences!  All the more reason Mr. Mark needs to keep this puppy going - even if a name change is needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ditto the last two sentences!  All the more reason Mr. Mark needs to keep this puppy going &#8211; even if a name change is needed.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://informedspeculation.com/2008/11/11/ahhhthe-warm-afterglowstop-it-now-please-its-making-me-sick/comment-page-1/#comment-584306</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m giving Steve and anyone else who wants it the last word.  I think this has been a pretty valuable discussion, though.  It&#039;s one of the things I like best about coming here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m giving Steve and anyone else who wants it the last word.  I think this has been a pretty valuable discussion, though.  It&#8217;s one of the things I like best about coming here.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 05:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good question: you read my mind!  That&#039;s worth a post, not a comment...coming up shortly...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good question: you read my mind!  That&#8217;s worth a post, not a comment&#8230;coming up shortly&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 04:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark:  do you think that federal money should be used to bail out GM and Ford?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark:  do you think that federal money should be used to bail out GM and Ford?</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 00:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The power to fix whatever residual effect there may be from slavery rests with individuals, as does the obligation.  Can we, as a society, help in some ways?  Yes, by making sure there is an equal opportunity to succeed.  But society cannot fix the fact that some kid, born into poverty, to poorly educated, too-young parents, will simply have to do the best for himself through hard work and by making smart choices, regardless of his skin color, ethnicity, and ancestry.

To whom, or what, do the Obama children owe their privileged upbringing?  Hold on, I&#039;ll answer that: the drive, motivation, and efforts of Barack and Michelle, no more, no less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The power to fix whatever residual effect there may be from slavery rests with individuals, as does the obligation.  Can we, as a society, help in some ways?  Yes, by making sure there is an equal opportunity to succeed.  But society cannot fix the fact that some kid, born into poverty, to poorly educated, too-young parents, will simply have to do the best for himself through hard work and by making smart choices, regardless of his skin color, ethnicity, and ancestry.</p>
<p>To whom, or what, do the Obama children owe their privileged upbringing?  Hold on, I&#8217;ll answer that: the drive, motivation, and efforts of Barack and Michelle, no more, no less.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, no, what Hitchens objected to is the idea that to be even remotely critical of Obama, or even skeptical, makes one somehow on the wrong side of the racial justice equation.

There is no one who writes for this blog (ahem, me) or who reads it (ahem, you) who has worked harder or written more eloquently for the oppressed than Hitchens, I would wager.  Don&#039;t misinterpret what he is saying.  He is saying that the election of Obama is the effect of the racial progress we have made, not the cause of it.

In other words, too many are celebrating Obama as the deliverer, rather than the delivered...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, no, what Hitchens objected to is the idea that to be even remotely critical of Obama, or even skeptical, makes one somehow on the wrong side of the racial justice equation.</p>
<p>There is no one who writes for this blog (ahem, me) or who reads it (ahem, you) who has worked harder or written more eloquently for the oppressed than Hitchens, I would wager.  Don&#8217;t misinterpret what he is saying.  He is saying that the election of Obama is the effect of the racial progress we have made, not the cause of it.</p>
<p>In other words, too many are celebrating Obama as the deliverer, rather than the delivered&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 22:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might be right.  I won&#039;t deny that this country has made enormous strides toward racial equality.  I think a lot of it has come from government action and so-called &quot;activist&quot; judges and all of that, but I think you&#039;re at least right that we have come a long way.  I also think there&#039;s a tendency to believe that we can just be done, that there are no lingering wounds, that affirmative action of some kind is unnecessary, and so on.  And that&#039;s just not the case.

I think conservatives, in their more inspired moments, have made valuable contributions to ideas about racial *politics*.  A politics of resentment and, as you say, punishment is basically useless.  It heals nothing.  Which is why we need more creative solutions (and things like, as I mentioned, SES-based affirmative action).  I think the first step to creating those solutions is recognizing that problems persist and that everyone needs to pitch in without trying to assess who was responsible for what.  Trying to pin blame is obviously not the way to solve things.

All that said, I think a lot of us are trying to focus on obvious positives.  A black guy just got elected President and a whole lot of people are positively elated about what that means for America.  But I think you&#039;ll note that it&#039;s folks like Christopher Hitchens who seem to think being excited about the racial progress this represents makes us bad people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might be right.  I won&#8217;t deny that this country has made enormous strides toward racial equality.  I think a lot of it has come from government action and so-called &#8220;activist&#8221; judges and all of that, but I think you&#8217;re at least right that we have come a long way.  I also think there&#8217;s a tendency to believe that we can just be done, that there are no lingering wounds, that affirmative action of some kind is unnecessary, and so on.  And that&#8217;s just not the case.</p>
<p>I think conservatives, in their more inspired moments, have made valuable contributions to ideas about racial *politics*.  A politics of resentment and, as you say, punishment is basically useless.  It heals nothing.  Which is why we need more creative solutions (and things like, as I mentioned, SES-based affirmative action).  I think the first step to creating those solutions is recognizing that problems persist and that everyone needs to pitch in without trying to assess who was responsible for what.  Trying to pin blame is obviously not the way to solve things.</p>
<p>All that said, I think a lot of us are trying to focus on obvious positives.  A black guy just got elected President and a whole lot of people are positively elated about what that means for America.  But I think you&#8217;ll note that it&#8217;s folks like Christopher Hitchens who seem to think being excited about the racial progress this represents makes us bad people.</p>
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		<title>By: DBrooks</title>
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		<dc:creator>DBrooks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Realizing that slavery left wounds in the United States, for both blacks and whites, is not the same thing as believing JUSTICE can be achieved for those who suffered directly.  Or indirectly, for that matter.  I still think that what you are describing is punishment and angst relief, and I think it focuses on negatives rather than, what are today, obvious positives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Realizing that slavery left wounds in the United States, for both blacks and whites, is not the same thing as believing JUSTICE can be achieved for those who suffered directly.  Or indirectly, for that matter.  I still think that what you are describing is punishment and angst relief, and I think it focuses on negatives rather than, what are today, obvious positives.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoops!

&quot;You can&#039;t honestly believe that the average white person in this country *doesn&#039;t* start...&quot;

That&#039;s what we call a Freudian slip!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops!</p>
<p>&#8220;You can&#8217;t honestly believe that the average white person in this country *doesn&#8217;t* start&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what we call a Freudian slip!</p>
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