Comments on: Bowl Selections and Final BCS Later Today… http://informedspeculation.com/2008/12/07/bowl-selections-and-final-bcs-later-today/ Refunds Cheerfully Given To All Who Disagree Sat, 07 Apr 2012 09:00:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Mark http://informedspeculation.com/2008/12/07/bowl-selections-and-final-bcs-later-today/comment-page-1/#comment-597360 Mark Tue, 09 Dec 2008 03:16:48 +0000 http://decision08.net/2008/12/07/bowl-selections-and-final-bcs-later-today/#comment-597360 Hey, all this college football talk this season and you're just now sharing these links? You're holding out on us... Hey, all this college football talk this season and you’re just now sharing these links? You’re holding out on us…

]]> By: Ryan http://informedspeculation.com/2008/12/07/bowl-selections-and-final-bcs-later-today/comment-page-1/#comment-597352 Ryan Tue, 09 Dec 2008 02:45:54 +0000 http://decision08.net/2008/12/07/bowl-selections-and-final-bcs-later-today/#comment-597352 Mike, the most valuable resource in all of sports is the Stassen index for college football. Point your browser to http://football.stassen.com/ and try not to get completely lost in geek heaven. He also has a link there to James Howell's database, which is also incredibly awesome: http://www.jhowell.net/cf/scores/ScoresIndex.htm The conference head-to-head stats are courtesy of Matt Hinton aka Dr. Saturday, who provides - bar none - the best college football analysis there is to be found: http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday Mike, the most valuable resource in all of sports is the Stassen index for college football. Point your browser to http://football.stassen.com/ and try not to get completely lost in geek heaven. He also has a link there to James Howell’s database, which is also incredibly awesome: http://www.jhowell.net/cf/scores/ScoresIndex.htm

The conference head-to-head stats are courtesy of Matt Hinton aka Dr. Saturday, who provides – bar none – the best college football analysis there is to be found: http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday

]]> By: Mark http://informedspeculation.com/2008/12/07/bowl-selections-and-final-bcs-later-today/comment-page-1/#comment-597351 Mark Tue, 09 Dec 2008 02:39:10 +0000 http://decision08.net/2008/12/07/bowl-selections-and-final-bcs-later-today/#comment-597351 Oh, Ole Miss is capable of winning, there is no doubt. Tech had better take them seriously... Oh, Ole Miss is capable of winning, there is no doubt. Tech had better take them seriously…

]]> By: mikebdot http://informedspeculation.com/2008/12/07/bowl-selections-and-final-bcs-later-today/comment-page-1/#comment-597350 mikebdot Tue, 09 Dec 2008 02:37:43 +0000 http://decision08.net/2008/12/07/bowl-selections-and-final-bcs-later-today/#comment-597350 I almost always am speaking tongue in cheek. But, the Pac-10 could drop someone that sucks if Boise State was interested, but they're not. That whole conference likes being disrespected. Plus, Idaho sucks, the blue field has nothing to do with why people don't want to go there. Well, a little to do... Incidentally, where did you pull your data? Are there head to head conference numbers? I almost always am speaking tongue in cheek. But, the Pac-10 could drop someone that sucks if Boise State was interested, but they’re not. That whole conference likes being disrespected. Plus, Idaho sucks, the blue field has nothing to do with why people don’t want to go there. Well, a little to do…

Incidentally, where did you pull your data? Are there head to head conference numbers?

]]> By: Ryan http://informedspeculation.com/2008/12/07/bowl-selections-and-final-bcs-later-today/comment-page-1/#comment-597320 Ryan Tue, 09 Dec 2008 00:57:16 +0000 http://decision08.net/2008/12/07/bowl-selections-and-final-bcs-later-today/#comment-597320 Oh, also, be wary of Ole Miss. That game is screaming "upset" to me. Oh, also, be wary of Ole Miss. That game is screaming “upset” to me.

]]> By: Ryan http://informedspeculation.com/2008/12/07/bowl-selections-and-final-bcs-later-today/comment-page-1/#comment-597287 Ryan Mon, 08 Dec 2008 23:18:41 +0000 http://decision08.net/2008/12/07/bowl-selections-and-final-bcs-later-today/#comment-597287 Mike, that argument has always struck me as a little weird. While I agree that Boise State simply doesn't have the schedule to mount much of an argument against someone like Ohio State in this case, I think your remedy is not exactly useful advice. How is Boise State supposed to get good teams on their non-conference schedule? Who do you think wants to play a home-and-home with them? You think - oh, I don't know - Oklahoma is dying to go play on the blue turf? My guess is no. Nor can they just up and join a difference conference. The Pac-10 is explicitly committed to having only ten teams. It's not like the BCS conferences have open enrollment periods or something. The problem for Boise State is that they're caught in a situation that doesn't have an obvious fix. Although I think the most reasonable advice I've seen involved Boise moving to an expanded Mountain West, which has already positioned itself as the de facto #7 conference - although, given the way things have gone this year, I see no evidence that the MWC isn't as good as or better than the Pac-10 at this point. Additional information about conference competitiveness: Conference records against "the big 6" plus Notre Dame: ACC: 15-7 Big East: 9-7 Big 12: 7-6 Big Ten: 6-7 Pac-10: 6-8 SEC: 6-8 One of the most bizarre myths in college football is that a conference's strength is entirely determined by the strength of its elite teams. Outside of Florida and Alabama, this year's SEC was downright woeful. Setting aside the fact that it had no national title contenders, the ACC was easily the best conference top to bottom this season. And speaking of myths, you may or may not know that over the past 6 years, the Big Ten and SEC are tied at 9-9 in head-to-head bowl matchups. (I picked six because the easiest stat I could find that used only recent games had the Big Ten leading 8-7 going into last year, and the SEC went 2-1 in those bowls to even the score. I was not attempting to cherry pick.) Mike, that argument has always struck me as a little weird. While I agree that Boise State simply doesn’t have the schedule to mount much of an argument against someone like Ohio State in this case, I think your remedy is not exactly useful advice. How is Boise State supposed to get good teams on their non-conference schedule? Who do you think wants to play a home-and-home with them? You think – oh, I don’t know – Oklahoma is dying to go play on the blue turf? My guess is no. Nor can they just up and join a difference conference. The Pac-10 is explicitly committed to having only ten teams. It’s not like the BCS conferences have open enrollment periods or something. The problem for Boise State is that they’re caught in a situation that doesn’t have an obvious fix. Although I think the most reasonable advice I’ve seen involved Boise moving to an expanded Mountain West, which has already positioned itself as the de facto #7 conference – although, given the way things have gone this year, I see no evidence that the MWC isn’t as good as or better than the Pac-10 at this point.

Additional information about conference competitiveness: Conference records against “the big 6″ plus Notre Dame:

ACC: 15-7
Big East: 9-7
Big 12: 7-6
Big Ten: 6-7
Pac-10: 6-8
SEC: 6-8

One of the most bizarre myths in college football is that a conference’s strength is entirely determined by the strength of its elite teams. Outside of Florida and Alabama, this year’s SEC was downright woeful. Setting aside the fact that it had no national title contenders, the ACC was easily the best conference top to bottom this season. And speaking of myths, you may or may not know that over the past 6 years, the Big Ten and SEC are tied at 9-9 in head-to-head bowl matchups. (I picked six because the easiest stat I could find that used only recent games had the Big Ten leading 8-7 going into last year, and the SEC went 2-1 in those bowls to even the score. I was not attempting to cherry pick.)

]]> By: mikebdot http://informedspeculation.com/2008/12/07/bowl-selections-and-final-bcs-later-today/comment-page-1/#comment-597261 mikebdot Mon, 08 Dec 2008 22:56:19 +0000 http://decision08.net/2008/12/07/bowl-selections-and-final-bcs-later-today/#comment-597261 The "Boise State plays crappy teams because it's in a crap conference" rule? Also, Ohio St. lost to number 1 USC (at the time and without their star player) and number 3 Penn State (at the time). Meanwhile Boise State beat Oregon who was number 17 at the time and ended up 19th. Good for them. One quality win. If the "disrespected" teams really want to enter the equation after going undefeated they should put non-conference teams on their schedule that don't suck. Or join a better conference...they might make some noise in a Pac-11. Maybe that conference wouldn't be so disrespected every year. You'd think the SEC and Big 12 were put on earth by God himself with the way the idiot pundits talk. Both the PAC-10 and the ACC can hold their own against either. You used to be able to say that about the Big 10... The “Boise State plays crappy teams because it’s in a crap conference” rule? Also, Ohio St. lost to number 1 USC (at the time and without their star player) and number 3 Penn State (at the time). Meanwhile Boise State beat Oregon who was number 17 at the time and ended up 19th. Good for them. One quality win. If the “disrespected” teams really want to enter the equation after going undefeated they should put non-conference teams on their schedule that don’t suck. Or join a better conference…they might make some noise in a Pac-11. Maybe that conference wouldn’t be so disrespected every year. You’d think the SEC and Big 12 were put on earth by God himself with the way the idiot pundits talk. Both the PAC-10 and the ACC can hold their own against either. You used to be able to say that about the Big 10…

]]> By: Bob from Ohio http://informedspeculation.com/2008/12/07/bowl-selections-and-final-bcs-later-today/comment-page-1/#comment-597101 Bob from Ohio Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:51:12 +0000 http://decision08.net/2008/12/07/bowl-selections-and-final-bcs-later-today/#comment-597101 <blockquote> It’s just not right.. </blockquote> He He. Money v. What is Right? Which wins? Look on the bright side, OSU is going to get smoked. Third blow out ina row might take the luster off.

It’s just not right..

He He. Money v. What is Right? Which wins?

Look on the bright side, OSU is going to get smoked. Third blow out ina row might take the luster off.

]]> By: Mark http://informedspeculation.com/2008/12/07/bowl-selections-and-final-bcs-later-today/comment-page-1/#comment-596884 Mark Mon, 08 Dec 2008 04:33:38 +0000 http://decision08.net/2008/12/07/bowl-selections-and-final-bcs-later-today/#comment-596884 Yeah, but they have TWO losses. It's just not right..Boise State is even ranked higher than them in the BCS rankings... Yeah, but they have TWO losses. It’s just not right..Boise State is even ranked higher than them in the BCS rankings…

]]> By: Bob from Ohio http://informedspeculation.com/2008/12/07/bowl-selections-and-final-bcs-later-today/comment-page-1/#comment-596827 Bob from Ohio Mon, 08 Dec 2008 01:06:26 +0000 http://decision08.net/2008/12/07/bowl-selections-and-final-bcs-later-today/#comment-596827 The "Golden Rule". OSU has a huge following of fans who will go to the game. Much better TV ratings too. The “Golden Rule”.

OSU has a huge following of fans who will go to the game. Much better TV ratings too.

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